# Trump indicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 30, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904 "2023-03-30T22:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/432 "2023-04-03T21:47:46Z")
He went to Europe pretty regularly, and Saudi Arabia was his first visit after pretending to be becoming president (who could forget that ghastly sword dance??). I remember him acting like a toddler over the military parade held by Macron in France and him outstepping Queen Elizabeth during a visit to England. And let’s not forget North Korea or Helsinki. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/433 "2023-04-03T21:51:35Z")
I think the question there was _pre_ so-called president. ---
**Author:** ![anny\_m](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@anny\_m](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anny_m)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/434 "2023-04-03T22:11:55Z")
He’d been to Russia at least once, and probably several times, before his first candidacy. I believe the infamous pee tape was supposedly taken in 2013. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/435 "2023-04-03T22:15:07Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I’d guess that he at least flew to Scotland to cut the ribbon at his golf course, and to be the first one to use some toilet there. He also has a habit of playing a ‘club championship’ by himself when he opens a new club. He plays by himself, wins, and then hangs up a plaque. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/436 "2023-04-03T22:16:12Z")
It’s paywalled, so I won’t link to the Bloomberg article, but … [![](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iKH4beBiy8Ec/v0/2000x-1.png) ](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iKH4beBiy8Ec/v0/2000x-1.png) It’s titled “Everywhere Trump Traveled Before Air Force One: Jet away with flight data from the billionaire’s private fleet.” > Where did he travel when he was just Private Citizen Trump? I think it’s on point. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/437 "2023-04-03T22:20:38Z")
I just think it’s interesting. He traveled abroad a lot before he became president, he traveled abroad during his presidency. But now he’s out of office, so far as I know, he’s never left US soil. Like @bobot said: Things that make you go, “Hmmm.” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/438 "2023-04-03T22:22:10Z")
Look at all the trips to Jeffrey Epstein’s island! ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/439 "2023-04-03T22:23:43Z")
LOL! A bit more granularity on that region: [![](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ih._uxE53wco/v0/2000x-1.png) ](https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ih._uxE53wco/v0/2000x-1.png) Last quote … in hopes of staying on the right side of the line: > [@](#): > > One foreign route, however, does pop out for its frequency: nine round trips to St. Maarten, the Dutch Caribbean country. They begin in 2013, when Trump bought an estate on the French side of the island, St. Martin, and end just as he was starting to run for president. The property, Le Château des Palmiers, has recently been in the news because Trump has put it up for sale for a reported $28 million—raising fresh questions about buyers potentially overpaying to curry favor with the president. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/440 "2023-04-03T22:51:33Z")
Trump has arrived in New York prior to his arraignment. Currently staying at Trump Tower. It was never very likely that he would flee. At least not before he hears the list of charges. [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2K8qTInFrw) ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/441 "2023-04-03T23:16:02Z")
I wonder what we went to Panama for. And did he go to Georgia - the one next to Turkey? That musta been real confusing. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/442 "2023-04-03T23:31:26Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ve noticed that Trump has engaged in zero international travel since leaving office. Aside from when he was president, did Trump ever travel overseas except to his golf courses? He is not a man who takes vacations. It’s another thing about him that shows his absolute incuriosity about the world. Ninja’d above. I should read the whole thread before posting. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/443 "2023-04-03T23:37:32Z")
[He was supposed to go to his Turnbury golf club in 2022](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/donald-trump-prepares-visit-turnberry-27743978). Then it was stopped for no announced reason. Trump hasn’t talked about trips since. I wonder about the connection. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/444 "2023-04-03T23:54:23Z")
It’s not like he hasn’t been welcome before. > **[Scotland's leader says Trump isn't welcome to visit his Turnberry resort...](https://www.businessinsider.com/scotland-leader-blocks-trump-from-visiting-turnberry-golf-resort-2021-1?op=1)** > > "We are not allowing people to come into Scotland, and that would apply to him just as it applies to anybody else," the first minister told reporters. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/445 "2023-04-03T23:58:20Z")
That was a year-and-a-half earlier during COVID. Those reasons weren’t applicable in late 2022. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/446 "2023-04-04T00:16:58Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Last quote … in hopes of staying on the right side of the line: > > > [@](#): > > > > One foreign route, however, does pop out for its frequency: nine round trips to St. Maarten, the Dutch Caribbean country. They begin in 2013, when Trump bought an estate on the French side of the island, St. Martin Huh. I happen to have just begun a holiday on this very island. I am tempted to look this up and go look at it, as long as I’m here. I wonder if the local estate agent could get me a tour. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/447 "2023-04-04T00:41:48Z")
Yahoo news says 34 counts, many of which are the lowest level of felony which even if he was convicted of all of them wouldn’t result in jail time for a first conviction. Also no handcuffs _or_ mugshot. > **[Exclusive: Trump to be charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts, but spared...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-to-be-charged-tuesday-with-34-felony-counts-but-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html)** > > Donald Trump will be placed under arrest on Tuesday and informed that he has been charged with 34 felony counts for falsification of business records, according to a source who has been briefed on the procedures for the arraignment of the former... ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/448 "2023-04-04T00:54:47Z")
I am not a New York lawyer, but Google tells me that they have sentencing guidelines based on the type of crime that is charged. Lots of practicing lawyers have websites that appear to lay out the applicable ranges. There are separate charges for “drug crimes”, but this is a typical example of the sort of sentencing that I’m seeing. > [@](#): > > E" Non-Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from no incarceration up to 1 1/3 to 4 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from a minimum of 1 1/2 to 3 years up to a maximum of 2 to 4 years state prison. > > “E” Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: 1 1/2 to 4 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: 2 to 4 years state prison. > - Violent Predicate Felon: 3 to 4 years state prison. > > “D” Non-Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from no incarceration up to 2 1/3 to 7 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from no 2 to 4 years up to 3 1/2 to 7 years state prison. > > “D” Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: 2 to 7 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: 3 to 7 years state prison. > - Violent Predicate Felon: 5 to 7 years state prison. > > “C” Non-Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from no incarceration up to 5 to 15 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from no 3 to 6 years up to 7 1/2 to 15 years state prison. > > “C” Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: 3 1/2 to 15 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: 5 to 15 years state prison. > - Violent Predicate Felon: 7 to 15 years state prison. > > “B” Non-Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from 1 to 3 years up to 8 1/3 to 25 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: Sentence ranges from no 4 1/2 to 9 years up to 12 1/2 to 25 years state prison. > > “B” Violent Felony > > - Non Predicate Felon: 5 to 25 years state prison. > - Predicate Felon: 8 to 25 years state prison. > - Violent Predicate Felon: 10 to 25 years state prison. > > “A” Felony > > - The potential determinate sentence is 15 years to 25 years as well as the possibility of life in state prison. Currently, New York State does not have the death penalty. So I’m guessing that most of Trump’s charges are class E nonviolent felonies. While jail may not be mandatory for such crimes, having dozens of charges typically ups the severity of the sentence. One question to ask is if the sentences would run concurrent (I.e. at the same time, so a day served is applied to all cases) or consecutive (I.e. one at a time, so he has to finish serving the sentence for one case before he starts serving the sentence for the next case). Here’s more detail that I’ve found > **[Learn About the Criminal Sentencing Chart in New York | 802-444-4357](https://sentencing.net/sentencing/sentencing-chart-new-york-state)** > > This article discusses the sentencing chart New York state as it pertains to non-violent and violent felonies, with charts attached. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/449 "2023-04-04T01:10:11Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > It was never very likely that he would flee. At least not before he hears the list of charges. He’s not going to flee because there is no place he could go where he wouldn’t dread being stuck for the rest of his life. Plus those places have risk of revolution. His presence would be politically destabilizing. So he wouldn’t really be safe anywhere, and – since I’m convinced he’s a smart guy who only looks dumb – he knows it. And he’s not going to even think about fleeing before finding out if he can get another POTUS term. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/450 "2023-04-04T01:13:54Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > So I’m guessing that most of Trump’s charges are class E nonviolent felonies. The good news is that if convicted of a class E nonviolent felony, then if Trump does it again, he’ll get the minimum 1 1/2 to 3 years in state prison. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/451 "2023-04-04T01:18:46Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Also, does Trump need to remain in the courtroom during the trial? This was a good question. Not in most jurisdictions. Does anyone know if New York is different? Jurors would expect him to show, and might feel belittled if he rarely, if ever, showed up. Maybe his defense team will balance that against the risk of an outburst resulting in the judge showing anger against their client. I think such an outburst could solidify the leanings of the jurors, contributing to a hung jury. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=23)