# Trump indicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 30, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904 "2023-03-30T22:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/472 "2023-04-04T13:22:44Z")
No, Watt is on first. Who is on second. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/473 "2023-04-04T13:37:36Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > [Melania Trump Seen Wearing “I Don’t Care” Jacket | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/melania-trump-seen-wearing-i-dont-care-jacket) I read one of those tell all books by someone that had worked closely with Melania\* and the story……and confusion….around that coat was really funny. Melania sees herself as a model and fashion icon. She has a whole team of people in charge of procuring and co-ordinating her outfits. She has things called “look books”, which are picture books of sketches showing her how to put everything together, which shoes and accessories go with each item. And there is a team of assistants in charge of procuring her clothes…much of this involves convincing them to give her expensive stuff for free. The point is that Melania doesn’t just get up in the morning and throw on clothes, and she doesn’t order her clothes herself off the internet, especially “fast fashion” items. Except for that one time. Her “fashion team” was completely taken aback when she showed up in that “fast fashion” Zara jacket. No one had ever seen it, it wasn’t among the clothes they had catalogued, it wasn’t in her “look books”. No one even knew how she had gotten her hands on it. Apparently she ordered it herself online, which is NOT something Melania Trump does. Except that one time. \*I read several such books and I don’t remember which one discussed the coat. Stephanie Grisham, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/474 "2023-04-04T13:40:14Z")
Cohen pled guilty to federal charges, including tax evasion. More serious charges and different sentencing guidelines, basically. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/475 "2023-04-04T13:49:47Z")
The scene at the Manhattan criminal courthouse this morning: > ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/476 "2023-04-04T13:53:53Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Didn’t know. It’s not a name I’m familiar with. He’s hoodwinked a lot of folks on the board. Bet you won’t soon forget his name now. 😉 If the cite is from the New Yorker and it seems a leeetle over the top, best to check. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/477 "2023-04-04T14:08:51Z")
He can talk. He can talk. > ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/478 "2023-04-04T14:25:25Z")
Borowitz is good. And funny. Just don’t take him seriously. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > He can talk. He can talk. He will talk. He will talk. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/479 "2023-04-04T14:32:09Z")
i saw this last night. it is dizzying. i believe that blanche’s law firm did not want their name associated with trump, causing him to leave the firm while he deals with this case. i would be surprized if the judge doesn’t have some sort of “gag” order imposed today. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/480 "2023-04-04T14:32:57Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > i would be surprized if the judge doesn’t have some sort of “gag” order imposed today. It’d have to be a ball gag order for it to work. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/481 "2023-04-04T14:35:01Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > If the cite is from the New Yorker and it seems a leeetle over the top, best to check. To be fair, Melania digging up that jacket and wearing it again didn’t seem remotely over the top. In fact, it seemed entirely on brand. There’s a time and a place for subtlety, and that time was before Scary Movie. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/482 "2023-04-04T14:44:38Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > i would be surprized if the judge doesn’t have some sort of “gag” order imposed today. I don’t expect a formal order today, although there may be one. This judge will attempt to balance the competing interests of free speech against Trump’s efforts to taint the jury pool with his rhetoric. I imagine he will caution Trump today against making statements that might result in a formal gag order. If Trump disobeys (what are the odds?), he’ll be summoned back to court for the judge to make the order a condition of his (Trump’s) own recognizance release – which I also expect today. My understanding is that New York no longer requires bail for non-violent felony charges. Whatever happens today, it’s going to be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/483 "2023-04-04T14:47:57Z")
What happens when he completely ignores the judge’s caution and the subsequent gag orders? Is there a point at which the judge will just toss him in jail until trial? How much rope is he likely to be given? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/484 "2023-04-04T14:51:41Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I happen to have just begun a holiday on this very island. I am tempted to look this up and go look at it, as long as I’m here. I wonder if the local estate agent could get me a tour. We’ve driven by out of curiosity. It’s not an area we usually would visit. You can’t see all that much from the road. If you want a really nice home style Creole dinner, stop by Yvette’s. Usually mostly locals dining there. Very nice family owns and operates the tiny restaurant. Their Conch Yvette is one of my favorite appetizers in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/485 "2023-04-04T14:52:43Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I also greatly enjoyed the fact that Tacopina declared himself the lead attorney in this case, and then out of the blue Trump hires Todd Blanche who declares that no, _ **he** _ is the lead attorney, whereupon Tacopina declares that there is no lead attorney and they’re all one big happy family. The whole sordid mess is remarkably reminiscent of Trump’s sordid presidency. Would it be too much to ask to have a punch-up in the courtroom today between Trump’s lawyers? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/486 "2023-04-04T14:55:53Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > How much rope is he likely to be given? It’s only a guess, but I expect it’ll be more than we’d like to see. Enough to clearly demonstrate that a formal gag order is the only reasonable option. Judges don’t like to inhibit people’s free speech rights unless absolutely necessary. ETA: I’d love to be completely wrong on this point today. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/487 "2023-04-04T14:55:55Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > > > He can talk. He can talk. > > He will talk. He will talk. Oh goodie! Let him run his mouth and get himself a gag order, or even more charges. There is a reason that lawyers will tell their clients to shut up. Not possible with Trump though. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/488 "2023-04-04T15:06:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Would it be too much to ask to have a punch-up in the courtroom today between Trump’s lawyers? With no cameras. dammit ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/489 "2023-04-04T15:09:22Z")
i’m thinking more alone the lines of not inciting violence against the court and personnel. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/490 "2023-04-04T15:17:21Z")
As former ‘personnel,’ I’m not adverse to that. 🙂 But really, we always have enough protection. The judge’s primary task in controlling Trump’s (and anyone else’s) speech is to protect the integrity of a trial for _both_ parties. That means protecting the jury pool. It also means recognizing that Trump has a unique bullhorn due to his years as a sitting president. Few other people in this country would have the ability to taint a jury pool as Trump can. This judge knows these factors and will do a good job, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/491 "2023-04-04T15:17:37Z")
And what happens when a gag order is issued and he ignores it? (Can you tell, I’m really waiting for the part where he gets fitted for an orange jumpsuit!) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=25)