# Trump indicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 30, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904 "2023-03-30T22:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/672 "2023-04-04T20:20:17Z")
ooooooh, just found the tax thing on page 7 of the statement of facts. 24-26 the to cfo then doubled that amount to 360,000 so that lawyer a could characterize the payment as income on his tax returns, instead of a reimbursement, and lawyer a would be left with 180,000 after paying appx 50% in income tax. the to cfo added an additional 60,000 as a supplemental year-end bonus. that is the conspiracy to commit tax fraud. the defendant, the to cfo, and lawyer a all agreed to this conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/673 "2023-04-04T20:20:28Z")
The charges are serious. Trump better listen to his trial lawyers. His unhinged political statements could get him a prison time. He has to focus on his defense. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/674 "2023-04-04T20:20:55Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Trump’s lawyers asked for more than the usual amount of time, in order to review everything closely. He really is going to die before serving any time, isn’t he? 😬 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/675 "2023-04-04T20:22:55Z")
Probably. But from this day to his last, each day will be worse than the one before it. There is some karmic comfort in remembering this. And I do have some hope that Jack Smith’s case may yield… a different approach. One you may find more satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/676 "2023-04-04T20:25:01Z")
Maybe this isn’t the place for a deep look at what this might mean, so I will just present this article. > **[The Trump Indictment Reveals More About Our Politics Than It Does About the...](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/04/trump-indictment-politics-revelation-00090247)** > > Is the effort to hold Trump accountable showing the limits of our “politics of revelation”? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/677 "2023-04-04T20:27:44Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > [@JacobSwan](#): > > > > Stormy is ‘woman 2’, so who is ‘woman 1’ > > Probably Macdougall [Definitely McDougal.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyt-prosecutors-signal-criminal-charges-for-trump-are-likely-re-stormy-daniels-case-march-9-2023/980953/485) ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/678 "2023-04-04T20:28:16Z")
Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/679 "2023-04-04T20:28:20Z")
Bragg is also making the point that falsifying business records to conceal other activities is a major component of their normal criminal prosecutions, and particularly important in New York, the business capital of the world. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/680 "2023-04-04T20:31:51Z")
Positive outlook: the long delay until the next hearing on December 4 just provides more time for further indictments for Jan 6, mishandling of secret documents, and Georgia election interference. I’m an optimist! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/681 "2023-04-04T20:31:54Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > It’s absolutely unprecedented (legally). No court has weighed in on whether the NY state law that says if you conceal in furtherance of another crime (which bumps these all to felonies) means another NY state crime, Bragg is saying that some of the underlying laws are NY election laws (because a presidential election is an election of electors under NY state law, I presume) and also New York tax laws. That doesn’t sound absolutely unprecedented? ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/682 "2023-04-04T20:31:59Z")
Trump is already on his way back to Florida, as of 4:31 EDT. To track the plane, go to [https://www.flightradar24.com](https://www.flightradar24.com) and click on the drop down box “Most Tracked Flights” in the upper left corner. His is the first one on the list, B752. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/683 "2023-04-04T20:32:03Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > And I do have some hope that Jack Smith’s case may yield… a different approach. One you may find more satisfying. Georgia too. Lets get this going. Could be a busy summer forTFG. I hope they make sure it is. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/684 "2023-04-04T20:34:58Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Georgia too. Lets get this going. Georgia’s case is in peril due to the Georgia state legislature and Governor Brian Kemp. The legislature has passed unprecedented legislation granting itself the right to remove a district attorney whom they believe is failing to execute her duties in accordance with their wishes. All that’s left to do with that is for Kemp to sign it into law – which he’s said he is planning to do. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/685 "2023-04-04T20:36:01Z")
What’s the over/under on the number of felonies that he’s going to be charged with? I’ll say 58 just to start the bidding. The 34 so far puts him in solid first place among presidents, with a 45 way tie for 2nd place with zero. Come on DOJ and Fulton County, let’s make those numbers higher! ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/686 "2023-04-04T20:39:35Z")
This is what scares me. Just when I’m starting to feel good about the American judicial process, and the way things are going, the republicans have to throw shit like this [and this](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/tennessee-house-gop-moves-to-expel-3-democrats-after-participation-in-gun-control-protest) into the mix. Back to trump though. I have hope justice is served. I have to have hope. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/687 "2023-04-04T20:40:28Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Significantly, to my not-a-US-lawyer eyes, there is no mention in that part of any federal crime. This was just brought up on MSNBC. By keeping everything focused on New York laws – the falsification of business records in furtherance of a crime under (NY) election laws and tax laws it removes a way for the defense lawyers to get the charges dismissed under jurisdictional or standing objections. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/688 "2023-04-04T20:42:51Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > Trump is already on his way back to Florida, as of 4:31 EDT. To track the plane, go to [https://www.flightradar24.com](https://www.flightradar24.com) and click on the drop down box “Most Tracked Flights” in the upper left corner. His is the first one on the list, B752. Great resource, thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/689 "2023-04-04T20:43:07Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > Back to trump though. I have hope justice is served. I have to have hope. I have hope, too. We’ll see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/690 "2023-04-04T20:48:33Z")
Excellent! ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/691 "2023-04-04T20:58:59Z")
And no one should be distracted by the caterwauling from the Right about this playing into TFG’s election dreams (which is a load of hooey). Keep the pedal down on all of these cases. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=35)