# Trump indicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 30, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904 "2023-03-30T22:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/692 "2023-04-04T21:05:21Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > 1972 actually, The movie was 1972. The Broadway production upon which it was based was 1969. That said, I don’t know if the quote was in both. I’ll drop it now. Happy indictment day, everyone! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/693 "2023-04-04T21:10:45Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Positive outlook: the long delay until the next hearing on December 4 just provides more time for further indictments for Jan 6, mishandling of secret documents, and Georgia election interference. I’m an optimist! [Don’t forget the defamation suit brought by Jean Carroll.](https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-other-manhattan-case-that-can-topple-trump-20230404-ad65f7zyszegrhkdbo6wiai3ma-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/694 "2023-04-04T21:16:37Z")
The other point that I’ve seen is that defending litigation takes time and energy. Up to now, Trump’s litigation has been all about his business, and his Trump Org minions would handle the litigation, barring the occasional deposition by Trump. Now, he’s facing a set of criminal charges, and he’s got the defamation case. Those are both about his personal conduct. No matter how much he delegates to his lawyers, defending those suits will take Trump’s time and energy. That’s time and energy that he can’t use in campaigning. And he’s 74, so I assume he’s got less energy than when he first campaigned, 7-8 years ago in 2015 and 2016. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/695 "2023-04-04T21:22:34Z")
Does he have enough money to keep jetting around in Trump Force One to deal with all of this… Or is he going to have to start taking the bus? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/696 "2023-04-04T21:24:27Z")
Even better, the amount of money he’s having to spend on lawyers has got to be staggering. I hope it bankrupts him. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/697 "2023-04-04T21:25:33Z")
He’ll just find a way to book it as a business expense for Trump Org and get a good tax deduction for it. Oh, wait a minute,… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/698 "2023-04-04T21:25:34Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > can Tapioca > > Oh, thank god I’m not the only one who keeps reading it that way. The proof is in the _Putin_. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/699 "2023-04-04T21:29:07Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > Positive outlook: the long delay until the next hearing on December 4 just provides more time for further indictments for Jan 6, mishandling of secret documents, and Georgia election interference. I’m an optimist! > > [Don’t forget the defamation suit brought by Jean Carroll.](https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-other-manhattan-case-that-can-topple-trump-20230404-ad65f7zyszegrhkdbo6wiai3ma-story.html) I didn’t forget, but I’m on unclear on the potential impact. It’s a civil suit, not a criminal one, so the consequences aren’t the same, and it’s likely that the Orange Pervert could be represented by lawyers (unlike a criminal proceeding) and wouldn’t even have to show up. I’m anxious to see progress on the serious criminal investigations. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/700 "2023-04-04T21:30:24Z")
I think the judge said that he wants everyone to show up in person in December. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/701 "2023-04-04T21:33:15Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Does he have enough money to keep jetting around in Trump Force One to deal with all of this… Or is he going to have to start taking the bus? His suckers sent him four million bucks in like 24 hours or something. So, billionaire or not, he’s not bussing it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/702 "2023-04-04T21:38:55Z")
But anyway- What a great day, huh? Cheers to all! 🍻 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/703 "2023-04-04T21:45:03Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > it’s likely that the Orange Pervert could be represented by lawyers (unlike a criminal proceeding) and wouldn’t even have to show up. I’m not a jury lawyer, but I’ve heard from lawyers who run jury trials that when it’s a question of credibility and claims of personal injury, juries won’t vote for a party who doesn’t show up. Assuming that holds for New York juries, Trump may have to book off a couple of weeks for that jury trial. ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/704 "2023-04-04T21:46:13Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Does he have enough money to keep jetting around in Trump Force One to deal with all of this… Or is he going to have to start taking the bus? Surely he’ll recover those costs by charging a really high fee for flying his Secret Service detail with him. Extra charges if they want a drink or a tiny packet of peanuts. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/705 "2023-04-04T21:49:37Z")
That’s better than if he gets hold of some longevity treatment and lives to be 200. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/706 "2023-04-04T22:04:19Z")
Apparently the monetary damages Carroll is seeking in the civil suit is “unspecified”. The Orange One may well figure that even if he loses, it’s cheaper to pay her off (or, more likely, continue to appeal the ruling until she gives up) than even the fuel costs of his obscenely oversized personal plane or the conflict of having to make such appearances with more important activities like golf or trying to steal the presidency. With criminal charges, he doesn’t have the option, and it pisses him off immensely! ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/707 "2023-04-04T22:04:32Z")
I’m confused. From what I gather from this thread, the elevation of these charges to felonies depnds on their being tied to violations of New York state tax codes and election laws. Shouldn’t it state somewhere in the indictment specifically what laws are allegedly being violated? ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/708 "2023-04-04T22:06:37Z")
Seems like it to me, too, but Bragg was asked about that and said he didn’t need to spell that out in the indictment. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/709 "2023-04-04T22:09:04Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Shouldn’t it state somewhere in the indictment specifically what laws are allegedly being violated? I think the statement of facts laid it out. Indictments can be pretty bare bones. Trump’s lawyers can request a bill of particulars if they’re confused [https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/criminal-procedure-law/cpl-sect-200-95/](https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/criminal-procedure-law/cpl-sect-200-95/) ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/710 "2023-04-04T22:15:55Z")
Does the DA need to prove the felonies he’s not charging? It doesn’t seem right that a misdemeanor can be elevated to a felony based on just an accusation of another felony. ---
**Author:** ![Ferris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ferris/32/11573_2.png) [@Ferris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferris)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/711 "2023-04-04T22:36:21Z")
Nearly landed - he just crossed a road called Orange Boulevard. 😀 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=36)