# Trump indicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 30, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904 "2023-03-30T22:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/772 "2023-04-05T14:41:09Z")
Good point. Id imagine they are wealthy too. And wealthy people appeal. And yet it didn’t happen. So I’d guess they’re good lawyers got them good plea deals for fines/no jail (and you can’t appeal a guilty plea). That seems likely to me. But I don’t know. It is knowable though. I just don’t know how to look them up. Just will add…it’s not clear if those 29 where tied to federal laws or not which is the uncharted part of Trumps indictments. I’m going to bow out of this as I’ve got nothing else to say. Just compulsively replying at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/773 "2023-04-05T14:52:16Z")
As I just mentioned in this other [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyt-prosecutors-signal-criminal-charges-for-trump-are-likely-re-stormy-daniels-case-march-9-2023/980953/727), after reading the court documents I believe the other crime is tax avoidance and that they have a case regardless of whether or not campaign finance violations are involved. I also personally know of cases where people were prosecuted in NYC for tax and financial crimes involving much smaller sums of money. I know an NYC businessman that was criminally prosecuted for tax avoidance for buying gifts out of state to avoid paying NYC sales tax, the amount of tax he evaded was less than $200. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/774 "2023-04-05T14:54:46Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > that could happen, but really unlikely given how interconnected the counts are. each payment is a charge, if you find for one you find for all. I think a juror could conclude he falsified records to commit election fraud but that tax fraud wasn’t a motive. Something like that might result in a split verdict. (which would be fine) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/775 "2023-04-05T15:30:16Z")
There must be more to that story. How can shopping in other states be a crime? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/776 "2023-04-05T15:35:01Z")
If they were business-related gifts, he probably tried to write them off against his NY taxes, which brought him to their attention. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/777 "2023-04-05T15:35:32Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > There must be more to that story. How can shopping in other states be a crime? You have to pay “use tax” in NY. Washington has the same thing. If you go to Oregon to buy a freezer without sales tax, you have to pay Washington tax when you get it home. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/778 "2023-04-05T15:39:31Z")
I think PAB will wriggle out of this one and, of course, crow complete vindication, but I don’t care- it sounds like Jack’s got the goods 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/779 "2023-04-05T15:42:29Z")
Here’s a link to the relevant law…… [https://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs\_and\_bulls/tg\_bulletins/st/use\_tax\_for\_businesses.htm](https://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/use_tax_for_businesses.htm) This is sort of a big deal in NYC, because the sales taxes are very high (8.875% when I last lived there) and they are geographically proximate to New Jersey, which has no sales tax. The city would periodically crackdown on enforcing this law, which benefited NYC businesses which would otherwise be disadvantaged due to having a tax-free competitor a 10 minute car ride away. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/780 "2023-04-05T15:44:19Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > a 10 minute car ride away. Having driven in NYC a _lot_, this is for varying values of “10 minutes”, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/781 "2023-04-05T16:19:30Z")
Despite being warned by the judge, Trump returned to Mar-A-Lago to an adoring crowd of such paragons as Roger Stone, Matt Gaetz, MTG, and his brood of evil offspring, entering via what was described as a “wedding venue” down a carpeted aisle, and then gave a speech attacking the DA, the judge, and the judge’s wife and daughter. He then went on to rant the same lies he’s been telling all along. Interestingly, Malignia was nowhere to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/782 "2023-04-05T16:27:04Z")
Moderating: We already have an open thread that covers everything that flows from the prosecution by the Manhattan DA in the Stormy Daniels matter. I left this thread open when it was first started for the specific charges of the indictment to be revealed at the arraignment and discussion pertaining to the indictment. For now, I’ll leave this thread open for continuing discussion as outlined above. However, if your post does not specifically pertain _to the indictment and/or arraignment where the indictment was unsealed_, it belongs in this thread: > [@Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyt-prosecutors-signal-criminal-charges-for-trump-are-likely-re-stormy-daniels-case-march-9-2023/980953): > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/trump-potential-criminal-charges-bragg.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/nyregion/trump-potential-criminal-charges-bragg.html) It’s the Stormy Daniels situation. The Manhattan district attorney’s office recently signaled to Donald J. Trump’s lawyers that he could face criminal charges for his role in the payment of hush money to a porn star, the strongest indication yet that prosecutors are nearing an indictment of the former president, according to four people with knowledge of the matter. As has been pointed out by several posters, having 2 open threads is confusing. Please be mindful where you’re putting your posts. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/783 "2023-04-05T16:35:05Z")
Might I humbly suggest a name change for the other thread, then? I would interpret that thread’s current title as being about the possibility of charges being brought, which would make it obsolete now that charges have in fact been brought. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/784 "2023-04-05T16:43:11Z")
The case is People v. Trump, which I think would be a solid thread name. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/785 "2023-04-05T16:47:30Z")
That one is going to apply to several cases coming up. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Might I humbly suggest a name change for the other thread, then? Of course! I’m fine with doing a title change, but let’s make sure to distinguish which case we’re discussing so it’s as non-confusing as possible. Going forward, a lot of Trump cases will be under discussion simultaneously. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/786 "2023-04-05T16:49:22Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > That one is going to apply to several cases coming u True, and what a lovely problem to have. Maybe call it People v. Trump (NY edition). Or are there other New York state cases coming? I can’t keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/787 "2023-04-05T17:00:10Z")
I think the “Stormy Daniels” part is the most easy to identify and for most people to remember. How about something like, “Manhattan NY Prosecutors’ criminal charges filed for Trump in Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here” > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Or are there other New York state cases coming? I can’t keep up. There are. The one I’m thinking of is Tish James’s civil case, and criminal charges could flow from that one. The problem with using the actual case titles is that few people understand the differences between “People” and “Plaintiffs”. In the threads I started on the documents case and the January 6th case, I was careful to title them in ways (Mar-A-Lago, January 6th) that would be most easily identifiable to posters on the board. I’d like to do the same with the Manhattan case. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/788 "2023-04-05T17:11:10Z")
This non-lawyer thanks you for using friendly names for the cases. I think one thread per case, each one combining the legal issues, indictment, arrest, trial, etc., will be easiest to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/789 "2023-04-05T17:13:17Z")
Most welcome. It’s a lot to keep track of for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/790 "2023-04-05T18:37:14Z")
> [@JacobSwan](#): > > I love the way the security guard just let the door swing shut in his face. I seem to recall that he told New York police officers that when they had arrested someone and they were helping them through a door so they didn’t get hurt, he said “[You can take the hand away, okay?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eVPKpBKGCE).” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/791 "2023-04-05T18:39:16Z")
I thought that was putting them into a car. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=40)