# Trump indicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 30, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904 "2023-03-30T22:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/172 "2023-03-31T14:36:56Z")
Dear God, the grifting has reached epic proportions. Trump is still sitting on most of the $250 million he raised to “stop the steal,” but apparently he needs more and Lindsey Graham is out there fundraising for him! > **[Graham calls for Fox News viewers to donate to Trump: ‘They’re trying to...](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3927513-graham-calls-for-fox-news-viewers-to-donate-to-trump-theyre-trying-to-bleed-him-dry/)** > > Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a close ally of former President Trump, on Thursday called on Fox News viewers to donate to Trump following the indictment issued him saying that political opponents a… I mean, didn’t Graham used to be _somewhat_ sane? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/173 "2023-03-31T14:37:33Z")
[Trump will not be handcuffed](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-64993429). Presumably, because those little kiddy plastic ones are not available. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/174 "2023-03-31T14:37:56Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > He’s legally innocent until proven guilty. Indictment is just the first of many steps. Sure, but prosecutors generally don’t call for a grand jury until or unless they’re confident about the strength of their case. Especially when it’s a very high-profile target. If it’s a federal indictment, Trump is statistically 92% likely to either be convicted, or plead guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/175 "2023-03-31T14:39:53Z")
DeSantis can’t NOT realize that getting his main Republican rival locked up clears out his path to the primary nomination much more easily. Unless he’s afraid the PR hit from doing so is so severe that it would knock DeSantis out of the race as well and clear the path for Nikki Haley or the dozen other Republican rivals. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/176 "2023-03-31T14:43:43Z")
> [@GPT via Mahaloth](#): > > So bring on your indictments, your subpoenas and your trials, > I’ll fight them all with fervor and with cunning legal wiles, In _general_, this is merely good in contrast to other AI generated poetry that came before. Many lines fail to scan smoothly which is vitally important to Modern Major General. These lines, however, are amazing, because while it still doesn’t scan, you can force fit “trials” and “wiles” into “try-ee-als” and “why-ee-als” which definitely keeps to the spirit of the original. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/177 "2023-03-31T14:44:43Z")
I have to wonder, since Trump has been indicted, will he be tried as an adult? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/178 "2023-03-31T14:46:27Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > we will learn them all on Tuesday, assuming everyone shows up for the arraignment. Speaking of people showing up at the arraignment, will it be an open courtroom? ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/179 "2023-03-31T14:46:57Z")
(Ooops - my mistake - I misread an article) j ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/180 "2023-03-31T14:47:38Z")
Should be. I can’t think of any reason a judge would close it. They are generally unwilling to close public proceedings. Security will be an issue, but security can be an issue in lots of cases. The courts are well prepared for this, more than people realize. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/181 "2023-03-31T14:50:23Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I mean, didn’t Graham used to be _somewhat_ sane? Many of us thoughts so. Of all the crazy conspiracy theories out there, the only one that makes sense to me is that Trump has something on Senator Graham. Something really bad. Before his golfing day with Trump, Graham spoke the truth about Trump. (“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…and we will deserve it.”) And BIden too (“he’s as good a man as god ever created”). ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/182 "2023-03-31T14:52:13Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > He’s being indicted for calling it a campaign expense My bad: it’s for calling it a “legal fee”. Pre-coffee goof. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/183 "2023-03-31T14:53:24Z")
I wish I could recall the details, but someone on the Jim and Marjorie show (Boston area NPR show) was claiming that the David Pecker/National Enquirer catch and kill thing goes deeper than people realize, and in addition to killing things for Trump they were funneling useful things about other pols to him. I am not saying this is true. It’s a little CT for my comfort. But imagine, just imagine, if true, it could explain a lot of the Grahams we’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/184 "2023-03-31T14:53:40Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > The range I see on the 3 different 757 variants would drop the plane into the Atlantic ocean. So, considering the usual MAGA level of competence, it’s a real possibility, then? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/185 "2023-03-31T14:55:37Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > Thanks, yes - I get that. But his _declaration_ that he wouldn’t cooperate with an extradition request - I assumed that was to get MAGAs onside, and therefor a - uh - “wise and necessary” thing to do? I fully expect he’d throw the cops under the bus. “I didn’t comply with that antifa commie plot to arrest Trump, it was those woke groomer cops who hate America!” ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/186 "2023-03-31T14:56:11Z")
I’m certain I had an American 757 from Boston to Paris about 12 years ago, so they can make it at least that far. Mostly I mention it because that was the day I learned to check what type of plane you’re on for long flights. It was awful. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/187 "2023-03-31T14:57:41Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Dear God, the grifting has reached epic proportions. Trump is still sitting on most of the $250 million he raised to “stop the steal,” but apparently he needs more and Lindsey Graham is out there fundraising for him! > **['Almost crying' Lindsey Graham ridiculed for Trump indictment meltdown](https://www.rawstory.com/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-2659707696/)** > > Hours after it was announced that a Manhattan grand jury handed down a bill of indictment against Donald Trump, a very-red-eyed Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) appeared on Fox News to rage about the injustice of it all, cursing, and asking for money for... ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/188 "2023-03-31T14:57:42Z")
So, realistically, what length of prison sentence are we looking at? Of course, given Trump’s age, anything above, say, 8 years is a de facto life sentence. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/189 "2023-03-31T14:58:58Z")
Jesus, that’s some Kim Jong Il level of brainwashing. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/190 "2023-03-31T14:59:45Z")
We are months if not years away from that stage of proceedings. Again, I caution: Get comfortable. Also, I suspect that when Jack Smith is ready to file his cases, the Manhattan case is going to pale in comparison. We’ll all be saying, “Alvin who?” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904/191 "2023-03-31T15:00:05Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > 757 from Boston to Paris They can go even [further](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smuC5LFXTLw). Anyhow, I won’t hijack the thread further. Back to the topic: Whichever prosecutor goes after Trump, and whichever lawyer defends Trump, is set for a huge career boost. The notoriety will last a lifetime. And you can be sure half of the jurors will write tell-all memoirs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-indicted/981904.md?page=10)