# Trump is a threat to our nation, and those who are not actively opposing him are traitors **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744 "2018-09-04T15:53:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/141 "2018-09-05T13:57:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Agreed, except that he’s merely MOSTLY incapable of being a responsible office-holder. I am generally pleased with his judicial picks. > > Beyond that, he’s not shining. I think Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are about as good as you can expect from a GOP Senate. I also think that people willing to write off the great danger of having Trump sit in the Oval Office in order to get judicial picks they like are, in the most charitable case, blinding themselves to the great danger posed by having an incompetent authoritarian occupy that office. How many hundreds of additional deaths happened in Puerto Rico as a result of incompetent federal leadership? How many is worth Gorsuch? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/142 "2018-09-05T14:07:04Z")
Democrats can [ul] [li]attempt to win over voters who think like \*\*octopus \*\*and **Starving Artist** [/li][li]convince the non-voters to come out and vote against Trump[/li][li]freeze out anybody named Clinton[/li][/ul] Black voters came out in droves to keep Roy Moore from becoming the newest senator from Alabama. I’d say concentrate on the last two bullets.\* \*bullets as in list bullets, not assassination, you reactionary fearmongers. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/143 "2018-09-05T14:27:33Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Democrats can > [ul] > [li]attempt to win over voters who think like \*\*octopus \*\*and **Starving Artist** [/li][li]convince the non-voters to come out and vote against Trump[/li][li]freeze out anybody named Clinton[/li][/ul] > > Black voters came out in droves to keep Roy Moore from becoming the newest senator from Alabama. I’d say concentrate on the last two bullets.\* > > \*bullets as in list bullets, not assassination, you reactionary fearmongers. I believe Trump was elected because a chunk of what had been, and should naturally be, the base of the Democratic Party voted for him instead of Hillary Clinton. I speak of unionized labor in “old economy” industries in WI, MI, OH. They voted for him because they believe their way of life is under threat, and will not be available to their kids. Way of life specifically meaning being able to stay in the middle class by holding “a good job” which does not require college, and where the main requirement is just showing up. They believed, and still do, that Trump is a better choice for halting or even slowing that decline. Either because he will keep immigrants from “taking their jobs” or because he will enact trade policy that will be “fair” enough to keep other countries from taking their jobs. While some are no doubt racists for intrinsic reasons, for many their fear/hatred of immigrants and international trade comes from their belief that these threaten their way of life. Unless/until some alternative to Trump’s “solutions” are offered to them which seem believable and workable, they’re not switching back. Scandals and nuttiness be damned. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/144 "2018-09-05T15:42:22Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > 1 - Donald Trump is a fascist. That ought to be concerning to anybody that cares about the USA. > 2 - Donald Trump is not a fascist, but he does this because it appeals to a significant amount of his base. This ought to be concerning to anybody that cares about the USA, perhaps even more so than option #1. Nothing yet has happened to shake my belief that Trump has essentially no considered ideology of his own. He’s an authoritarian purely by personality - it suits his narcissism and he has always had the money to project and indulge it. Calling him a fascist is almost giving him too much credit. A minor change in circumstances and I have no problem believing Trump as a rather authoritarian Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/145 "2018-09-05T15:55:37Z")
> [@Isosleepy](#): > > Way of life specifically meaning being able to stay in the middle class by holding “a good job” which does not require college, and where the main requirement is just showing up. Without disagreeing with your post in general, I’ll just note that that last line is a bit insulting. I know plenty of people that worked on auto lines. It is not a walk in the park. Those people fully earned their money. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/146 "2018-09-05T16:37:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > In other words, what you guys don’t seem to understand is that Trump was elected to do battle with liberalism, the font of everything his voters have had it up to here with. And as long as he’s thought to be accomplishing this, his support will remain undiminished. His personal failings, his business shenanigans, what he knew or didn’t know regarding Russia, whatever Mueller uncovers…none of it matters because people hate what you’ve done to this country just that much. Hey, SA I’ve got a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk) for you to watch that might help explain where we’re coming from. Its even all American and produced pre-1960’s so it should be safe. All you have to do is change Catholics to Muslims, Negros to Mexicans, and Masons to Democrats and you’re good to go. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/147 "2018-09-05T16:47:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > They’re fed up with the insults and the hatred and the divisiveness and the nonstop bitching about what seems to them everything under the Sun. They’re fed up with the problems caused by drugs and crime and the left’s lack of concern about them. They’re fed up with the crass, vulgar and overall lowlife quality of life in America today. You’ve lost me here. Fed up with insults, hatred and divisiveness and yet support Trump, the king of insults, hatred and divisiveness? Drugs and crime? Those things will always be with us, but seem about as under control as anytime in my 56 years. > [@](#): > > They’re fed up with what they view as crackpot judicial rulings and the fact that for decades the left has used simpatico judges to pervert the meaning of the law in order to thwart the will of the people, and to legislate from the bench in order to achieve victories it could never have won at the voting booth. Sometimes that’s the role of judges, right? If the good people of DC passed an unconstitutional gun control law is that the “will of the people?” Or is striking it down legislating from the bench? How about those “conservatives” on the Supreme Court who invalidated parts of the Voting Rights Act because they didn’t like what the elected representatives of the people decided to do? Other than abortion, I don’t see any meaningful examples of judges pissing off the deplorables. > [@](#): > > In other words, what you guys don’t seem to understand is that Trump was elected to do battle with liberalism, the font of everything his voters have had it up to here with. And as long as he’s thought to be accomplishing this, his support will remain undiminished. His personal failings, his business shenanigans, what he knew or didn’t know regarding Russia, whatever Mueller uncovers…none of it matters because people hate what you’ve done to this country just that much I agree, yet I fail to understand. What have we “done to this country” that would upset any fair minded person? ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/148 "2018-09-05T17:03:16Z")
And Obama WAS tarred and feathered, nightly, with two hour panel shows with the likes of Jeanine and Tucker and then followed up with Hannity. Incompetent, treasonous, traitor, and even some would say Obama WANTED to ruin our country. This was just standard fare on Fox. They are a ruthless drumbeat. They had something like 2100 segments about Benghazi, all negative. When after eight investigations (the last two almost entirely Republican lead) nothing sinister was found, they had only 27 segments conveying that. Did they apologize? Did they say they got it all wrong. Of course not, they still toss it around (see: Hannity on convention night). ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/149 "2018-09-05T17:27:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Delegated by whom? Just half of us? \*Your \*half? > > So we’re right but you’re having trouble admitting it, and that trouble is \*our \*fault? Interesting. > > What intent? And intended by whom? I’m not a huge fan of the two party system. I think it’s dumb and overly coarse. But I think a one party system is even worse. That said, political parties in the US, at least for the big two are coalition parties. So each half is actually relatively diverse. But that’s a digression. I think everyone has the opportunity to make their choice known by voting, speaking, writing, joining groups etc. We all have the chance to participate in self governance. However, we aren’t entitled to a particular outcome. And yes, pushing for our judicial overlords to settle social matters before a majority was ready, i.e. accomplishing things via the legislative branches, did result in at least two unintended consequences. One, was pushback. Two, was the targeting of the judiciary as the highest political prize. In politics actions aren’t occurring on inert lumps. Regardless of how you feel about Trump and his supporters. Political actions result in reactions and evolving counter-strategies. Anyways, the question was how do I define success. And now it’s getting a bit off topic. But I think as long as things stay peaceful and we mostly follow the law I’ll consider that a success in self governance. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/150 "2018-09-05T17:33:19Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Democrats can > [ul] > [li]attempt to win over voters who think like \*\*octopus \*\*and **Starving Artist** [/li][li]convince the non-voters to come out and vote against Trump[/li][li]freeze out anybody named Clinton[/li][/ul] > > Black voters came out in droves to keep Roy Moore from becoming the newest senator from Alabama. I’d say concentrate on the last two bullets.\* > > \*bullets as in list bullets, not assassination, you reactionary fearmongers. That’s funny. But in discussions with my kids we talk about voting. I have told my kids how I expect them to vote when they come of age. I told them research the issues. Know what’s important to you. Then go cast an informed vote for who you believe will advance what you consider most important to you. I also told them to not act like many internet loons do and make everything about your own interpretation of the world. So, if they have friends or relatives who disagree? Well, that’s just life and what their friends and relatives value may be different or weighted differently. I wonder if you have kids and if you are indoctrinating them or educating them. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/151 "2018-09-05T17:58:46Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Nothing yet has happened to shake my belief that Trump has essentially no considered ideology of his own. He’s an authoritarian purely by personality - it suits his narcissism and he has always had the money to project and indulge it. Calling him a fascist is almost giving him too much credit. A minor change in circumstances and I have no problem believing Trump as a rather authoritarian Democrat. Yep. I’ve said the same thing quite a few times here. Trump seems to be motivated by fame and fortune, nothing else. And the former probably because it leads to more of the latter. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/152 "2018-09-05T18:46:32Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Yet another [book](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.5308eccc7a98)confirms the worst suspicions about Trump: he is a reckless idiot who is going to get lots of people killed eventually. We’ve only avoided bigger catastrophes because his aides literally trick him. Some excerpts from WaPo’s early discussion of that book: > [@](#): > > At a National Security Council meeting on Jan. 19, Trump disregarded the significance of the massive U.S. military presence on the Korean Peninsula, including a special intelligence operation that allows the United States to detect a North Korean missile launch in seven seconds vs. 15 minutes from Alaska, according to Woodward. Trump questioned why the government was spending resources in the region at all. > “We’re doing this in order to prevent World War III,” Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told him. > After Trump left the meeting, Woodward recounts, “Mattis was particularly exasperated and alarmed, telling close associates that the president acted like – and had the understanding of – ‘a fifth- or sixth-grader.’” > . . . . > White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly frequently lost his temper and told colleagues that he thought the president was “unhinged,” Woodward writes. In one small group meeting, Kelly said of Trump: “He’s an idiot. It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything. He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I’ve ever had.” > . . . . > At a dinner with Mattis and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, among others, Trump lashed out at a vocal critic, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). He painted the former Navy pilot as cowardly, falsely suggesting he took an early release from a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam because of his father’s military rank and left others behind. > Mattis swiftly corrected his boss: “No, Mr. President, I think you’ve got it reversed.” The defense secretary explained that McCain, who died Aug. 25, had in fact turned down early release and was brutally tortured during his five years at the “Hanoi Hilton.” > “Oh, okay,” Trump replied, according to Woodward’s account. > . . . . > With Trump’s rage and defiance impossible to contain, Cabinet members and other senior officials learned to act discreetly. Woodward describes an alliance among Trump’s traditionalists – including Mattis and Gary Cohn, the president’s former top economic adviser – to stymie what they considered dangerous acts. > “It felt like we were walking along the edge of the cliff perpetually,” Porter is quoted as saying. “Other times, we would fall over the edge, and an action would be taken.” > After Syrian President Bashar al-Assad launched a chemical attack on civilians in April 2017, Trump called Mattis and said he wanted to assassinate the dictator. “Let’s fucking kill him! Let’s go in. Let’s kill the fucking lot of them,” Trump said, according to Woodward. > Mattis told the president that he would get right on it. But after hanging up the phone, he told a senior aide: “We’re not going to do any of that. We’re going to be much more measured.” The national security team developed options for the more conventional airstrike that Trump ultimately ordered. > . . . . > Cohn came to regard the president as “a professional liar” and threatened to resign in August 2017 over Trump’s handling of a deadly white-supremacist rally in Charlottesville. Cohn, who is Jewish, was especially shaken when one of his daughters found a swastika on her college dorm room. > Trump was sharply criticized for initially saying that “both sides” were to blame. At the urging of advisers, he then condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis but almost immediately told aides, “That was the biggest fucking mistake I’ve made” and the “worst speech I’ve ever given,” according to Woodward’s account. > When Cohn met with Trump to deliver his resignation letter after Charlottesville, the president told him, “This is treason,” and persuaded his economic adviser to stay on. Kelly then confided to Cohn that he shared Cohn’s horror at Trump’s handling of the tragedy – and shared Cohn’s fury with Trump. > “I would have taken that resignation letter and shoved it up his ass six different times,” Kelly told Cohn, according to Woodward. Kelly himself has threatened to quit several times but has not done so. > . . . . > Dowd then explained to Mueller and Quarles why he was trying to keep the president from testifying: "I’m not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot. And you publish that transcript, because everything leaks in Washington, and the guys overseas are going to say, ‘I told you he was an idiot. I told you he was a goddamn dumbbell. What are we dealing with this idiot for?’ " ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/153 "2018-09-05T18:53:19Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Nothing yet has happened to shake my belief that Trump has essentially no considered ideology of his own. He’s an authoritarian purely by personality - it suits his narcissism and he has always had the money to project and indulge it. Calling him a fascist is almost giving him too much credit. A minor change in circumstances and I have no problem believing Trump as a rather authoritarian Democrat. I actually agree with you. I think Donald Trump is an accidental fascist, which sadly, makes the second option more likely the truth. I think there is a significant number of fascist voters off which he is feeding. There are a number of American voters who would accept fascism (so long as it is never called that of course) so long as they get their agenda through. It isn’t surprising since **SA** points out that the progressive agenda has been making a lot of gains, and fascism is a reactionary movement on the right to counter (among other things) liberalism. What is a bit shocking, and worrisome, is that it isn’t generally being called out and rebuked, but applauded and supported. Much as has happened in other countries throughout history, the fascist are finding willing allies in other right-wing camps. People are willing to accept a little fascism to get their \. If Trump were competent, then he could maybe (but unlikely, I don’t think democracy in America will unravel so fast) make himself dictator. Thankfully he doesn’t seem to understand that a good authoritarian needs a strong inner circle of allies to help control all of the levers of power, and Trump just isn’t good at making friends. Even out of political necessity. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/154 "2018-09-05T18:54:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > guided by different facts The term is “_alternative_”. “_ **Alternative** _ facts”. Can’t you get your own side’s talking points straight? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/155 "2018-09-05T19:34:36Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Nothing yet has happened to shake my belief that Trump has essentially no considered ideology of his own. He’s an authoritarian purely by personality - it suits his narcissism and he has always had the money to project and indulge it. A combination of that and that in his general ignorance of politics and government he genuinely believes that everyone else does it that same way too. So to his mind he’s thinking “Eric Holder protected Obama, why can’t Sessions similarly protect me?”, and so on. The thing is that there’s actually a basis in truth for that way of thinking, in that almost no one in politics is truly apolitical and above that type of bias. But there are degrees and Trump is several degrees out of bounds for what’s considered acceptable and par-for-the-course. But that’s much more obvious to people who are experienced with politics than it is to an ignorant and self-absorbed neophyte like Trump, and when you combine that with his tycoon-based mindset and the factors you mention that’s what you get. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/156 "2018-09-05T20:02:33Z")
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**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/157 "2018-09-05T20:11:46Z")
From the New York Times: [I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration: I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html) > [@](#): > > \*The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. \* > [@](#): > > President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader. > > It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall. > > The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations. > > I would know. I am one of them. > > To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous. > > But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic. > > That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/158 "2018-09-05T23:33:41Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > From the New York Times: [I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration: I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html) That op-ed and other things we hear about Trump’s thin-skinned nature make me think perhaps the best act of opposition would be laughing at him. An organized campaign of people literally pointing and laughing at him - in person, in videos, photos on social media. I can easily find the right mental space to transform any anger or disgust I feel at what’s happening right now and turn it into laughing at this pitiful man who’s out of his depth and in over his head. You just have to stop short of feeling sorry for him, which you’d do for many people, but not a leader in his position. We should all point and laugh at Trump. I can’t think of anything that would bother him more. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/159 "2018-09-06T00:31:12Z")
I just want to point out to all of our resident traitor/treason-definition nitpickers that our president has just accused the anonymous writer of that bullshit op-ed piece of treason. He tweeted: “Treason?” \<-- note lack of misspelling! Amazing! That anonymous writer can go fuck him or herself. Fucking coward. If you really loved this country, you and your co-conspirators would bring your concerns to Congress or invoke the 25th Amendment. Just ignoring the president’s idiotic and dangerous impulses to continue in the White House while trying to work around him is dangerous and un-American. Look, you’ve got your fucking tax break, you’ve blown up the Paris agreement, the TPP, and the Iran agreement. You’ve made life miserable for undocumented immigrants and separated parents from their children, sometimes then deporting the parents. You’ll get your second Supreme Court justice. Isn’t that enough? Can you fucking man up and, with your buddies, resign, spill the beans under oath to Congress and get us past this nightmare of a presidency? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-a-threat-to-our-nation-and-those-who-are-not-actively-opposing-him-are-traitors/820744/160 "2018-09-06T00:35:06Z")
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