# Trump is an even bigger disaster than we thought **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209 "2016-12-08T15:16:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/101 "2016-12-09T18:54:18Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > An arsonist knows all about starting fires, but we don’t want him/her as Fire Captain, do we? > [https://www.opensecrets.org/expends/vendor.php?year=2014&vendor=Attorney+General+Scott+Pruitt+Campaign](https://www.opensecrets.org/expends/vendor.php?year=2014&vendor=Attorney+General+Scott+Pruitt+Campaign) You do if your actual goal is to burn down sections of the town, because you own a construction company, and stand to make a ton of money with the rebuilding projects. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/102 "2016-12-09T19:03:35Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > … > Y’know, it’s not _exactly_ a bad idea. Replacing labor with automation _should_ be a goal we have. Christ, wasn’t it a utopia not all that long ago to imagine not having to work because robots took all the menial labor jobs? > > …Granted, that guy shouldn’t be running the Department of _Labor_, but still… That’s not an insane idea, y’know? > … Yes, in theory, replacing human workers with robots is not a bad idea, except for the one really big glitch: how do those human workers now earn enough money to live on? When there are robots flipping burgers, and taking your money at the cash register, how are the displaced humans supposed to earn a living? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/103 "2016-12-09T19:06:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yes, in theory, replacing human workers with robots is not a bad idea, except for the one really big glitch: how do those human workers now earn enough money to live on? When there are robots flipping burgers, and taking your money at the cash register, how are the displaced humans supposed to earn a living? They don’t. Then we call them lazy and shiftless, so that we feel better about ourselves when they live lives of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/104 "2016-12-09T19:28:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yes, in theory, replacing human workers with robots is not a bad idea, except for the one really big glitch: how do those human workers now earn enough money to live on? When there are robots flipping burgers, and taking your money at the cash register, how are the displaced humans supposed to earn a living? Exactly. If we were using the benefits of automation to make it possible for more people to live comfortably without working, I’d be all for it. But automation that further enriches a small elite while making it **harder** for the non-wealthy to thrive does not sound like a good idea. Certainly it’s not the sort of idea that the Secretary of _Labor_ ought to be endorsing, for Pete’s sake. > [@Frankenstein Monster](#): > > Is Europe suddenly going to ditch all of their environmental aspirations - or even any of their environmental aspirations - because Trump withdraws from their agreement?? [No.](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/trump-climate-change.html?_r=0) > [@](#): > > Forcing United States industries to turn to cleaner energy sources with the hammer of an import tariff is not far-fetched. Countries imposing costs on their own industries to control carbon emissions could tell the World Trade Organization that United States industries are operating under an unfair trade advantage by avoiding any cost for their pollution. […] > > In Washington, the Obama administration has pressed forward with its environmental agenda as if Mr. Trump had not been elected. […] > > But diplomats are quietly going off their agendas to begin planning how to react if Mr. Trump chooses to reject the Paris Agreement. The pact, as it stands, contains no enforcement measures, such as economic sanctions, for countries that do not comply. But individual governments could put trade sanctions in place on their own or in concert. > > In Mexico, which is already preparing for a newly adversarial relationship with an American president who has threatened to build a wall along the border, government officials said they have begun considering the idea of a carbon tariff. > > Canada, the United States’ largest trading partner, is also discussing a tariff. […] > > Other experts agreed that choosing to impose a carbon tariff should be done with care for the consequences. > > “A carbon tariff is a power tool,” [International Emissions Trading Organization president Dirk] Forrister said. “It’s not one that any country would use lightly. Things would have to get pretty serious for any country to take it out of the toolbox and use it. But given the current situation it’s a possibility that they would do it.” ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/105 "2016-12-09T20:06:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You do if your actual goal is to burn down sections of the town, because you own a construction company, and stand to make a ton of money with the rebuilding projects. Good analogy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/106 "2016-12-09T23:28:59Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > Good analogy. Yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/107 "2016-12-10T00:45:26Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Given what I would say to a conservative who said something this stupid and in the name of not being a hypocrite: shut the fuck up, you stupid troll. Disagreeing with someone doesn’t make a person either stupid or a troll. And pretending the Right is rational and civilized is a major contributor to the present disaster. And we know from history how people like this act if they have the chance. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/108 "2016-12-10T01:00:18Z")
Yeah, and we know from history how liberals (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro) act if they have a chance. I wouldn’t be bringing up history vis-a-vis political ideology if I were you. You guys make Hitler and Mussolini look like pikers. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/109 "2016-12-10T01:08:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and we know from history how liberals (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro) act if they have a chance. Those are “liberals”, are they? Yeah, I guess Stalin and Pol Pot (ETA: and Hitler, I forgot Hitler) are pretty much interchangeable with Obama and Elizabeth Warren, or with Justin Trudeau up in Canada. The mind of the Trumpster is a wonder to behold. I couldn’t even begin to imagine what churns around in there to produce the bloviations that come out of it. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/110 "2016-12-10T01:24:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and we know from history how liberals (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro) act if they have a chance. > > I wouldn’t be bringing up history vis-a-vis political ideology if I were you. You guys make Hitler and Mussolini look like pikers. What do you mean “you guys?” Hitler was a socialist too. Man you forgot? And James Buchanan was a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/111 "2016-12-10T01:35:25Z")
[Trump says nice things](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-crowd-boos-when-he-praises-obama-214358347.html) about Obama, _gets booed._ > [@](#): > > Donald Trump apparently doesn’t see much point in bashing President Obama anymore, but the same can’t be said for some of his supporters. > > “President Obama, who by the way I’ve gotten along with so well,” Trump told supporters during his speech at a Dow Chemical facility. The moment turned awkward: Trump’s fans went largely silent as scattered boos broke out in the audience before he could finish his sentence. > > “No, no, no, he’s really doing great. He’s been so nice,” the president-elect said. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/112 "2016-12-10T01:46:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, and we know from history how liberals (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro) act if they have a chance. You don’t know anything about history. Mr. “don’t know about when the counterculture died”. The reality is that virtually all liberals I have seen do know how dead they would be if they lived under those dictatorships. Bill Gaines overall point to the House of Unamerican ACtivities was that indeed, most right wingers will always forget that all dictators do fear liberal thought and ideology and Gains did tell the HUAC and other authoritarians back then that in their efforts of fighting the communist dictators monsters that they were becoming monsters and of the **also** ugly fascist type. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I wouldn’t be bringing up history vis-a-vis political ideology if I were you. You guys make Hitler and Mussolini look like pikers. Meh, you are just a defender of ignorant revisionist history. Even the conservative writer of _Liberal Fascism_, Jonah Goldberg, told us how it was that supporting Trump is a disaster for your side: > **[No Movement That Embraces Trump Can Call Itself Conservative | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/donald-trump-conservative-movement-jonah-goldberg/)** > > If this is the conservative movement now, I guess you’re going to have to count me out. > [@](#): > > But this is not an argument for Trump as a serious presidential candidate. It is really no argument at all. It is catharsis masquerading as principle, venting and resentment pretending to be some kind of higher argument. Every principle used to defend Trump is subjective, graded on a curve. Trump is like a cat trained to piss in a human toilet. It’s amazing! It’s remarkable! Yes, yes, it is: for a cat. But we don’t judge humans by the same standard. > > … > > It is entirely possible that conservatives sweat the details of tax policy too much. Once in office, a president must deal with political realities that render the fine print of a campaign pamphlet as useful as a battle plan after the enemy is met. But in the last month, Trump has contemplated a flat tax, the fair tax, maintaining the current progressive tax system, a carried-interest tax, a wealth tax, and doing nothing. His fans respond, “That shows he’s a pragmatist!” No. It shows that he has absolutely no ideological guardrails whatsoever. Ronald Reagan once said, “Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.” Trump is close to the reverse. He’s a mouth at the wrong end of an alimentary canal spewing crap with no sense of responsibility. In his embarrassing interview with Hugh Hewitt Thursday night, Trump revealed he knows less than most halfway-decent D.C. interns about foreign policy. > > … > > Trump has the charisma, I’ll grant him that. But there is no evidence he’s thought deeply about the job beyond how much classier it will be once he has it. His whole shtick is an eminence front (“It’s a put on!” — The Couch). When running for president, doing your homework is a question of character and even patriotism. If you love this country and want to be the president, quite literally the least you can do is be prepared. > > … > > Karl Marx coined the term lumpenproletariat to describe working-class people who could never relinquish their class consciousness and embrace the idea of a classless socialist society. Hence, they were useless to the revolutionary cause. I’m no Marxist, so I don’t buy the idea that anybody — never mind a whole class of people — are beyond persuasion. But I am tempted to believe that Donald Trump’s biggest fans are not to be relied upon in the conservative cause. I have hope they will come to their senses. But it’s possible they won’t. And if the conservative movement and the Republican party allow themselves to be corrupted by this flim-flammery, then so be it. My job will be harder, my career will suffer, and I’ll be ideologically homeless (though hardly alone). That’s not so scary. Conservatism began in the wilderness and maybe, like the Hebrews, it would return from it stronger and ready to rule. But I’m not leaving without a fight. If my side loses that fight, all I ask is you stop calling the Trumpian cargo cult “conservative” and maybe stop the movement long enough for me to get off. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/113 "2016-12-10T02:04:06Z")
First time I’ve seen Bill Gaines cited in a political discussion. Let’s clarify: We’re talking about EC-Mad Bill Gaines? HUAC? Could it be the senate subcomittee on Juvenile Delinquency? Another Bill Gaines? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/114 "2016-12-10T02:19:06Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423607/donald-trump-conservative-movement-jonah-goldberg](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423607/donald-trump-conservative-movement-jonah-goldberg) > > > [@](#): > > > > But this is not an argument for Trump as a serious presidential candidate. It is really no argument at all. It is catharsis masquerading as principle, venting and resentment pretending to be some kind of higher argument. Every principle used to defend Trump is subjective, graded on a curve. Trump is like a cat trained to piss in a human toilet. It’s amazing! It’s remarkable! Yes, yes, it is: for a cat. But we don’t judge humans by the same standard… Whoa! From the National Review? “Catharsis masquerading as principle, venting and resentment pretending to be some kind of higher argument…” Beautiful. God, I wish William Buckley and Gore Vidal were alive to talk about Trump. THAT would be something to see. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/115 "2016-12-10T02:22:01Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > First time I’ve seen Bill Gaines cited in a political discussion. > > Let’s clarify: We’re talking about EC-Mad Bill Gaines? HUAC? > > Could it be the senate subcomittee on Juvenile Delinquency? [Ed McMahon] You are correct sir! [EM] ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/116 "2016-12-10T02:25:51Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > What do you mean “you guys?” Hitler was a socialist too. So I take it then that liberal insistence that Trump is a Nazi and the next coming of Hitler is because they fear he’ll take us into _socialism_? > [@wolfpup](#): > > Those are “liberals”, are they? Yes, **wolfpup** , Stalin, et al., were most certainly liberals. You know, no capitalism, forced lifestyle equality, central planning and government providing for all needs. And oh, yeah, that most obvious liberal trait of all - intolerance for disagreement or criticism! So intolerant in fact that it was made a crime. And not only a crime but the ones most severe. Under communist rule the most serious crimes were not theft, assault, rape, etc., but ‘crimes against the state’. These usually took the form of criticism or complaint about the government or suggestions of its overthrow. Everyone was encouraged to inform on everyone else and everybody lived in fear of the midnight knock on the door and being dragged off into the night, never to be heard from again. People couldn’t even feel secure in their own homes because children were encouraged to inform on their own parents should they ever utter a non-approved thought or criticism. Tens of millions were murdered for resisting being properly communized (or starved to death through government incompetence in the case of China), but none of that mattered because when the state is supreme the individual is expendable. (As **GIGObuster** just inadvertently illustrated in his quote of Johah Goldberg’s blatherings, when he states: > [@](#): > > Karl Marx coined the term lumpenproletariat to describe working-class people who could never relinquish their class consciousness and embrace the idea of a classless socialist society. Hence, they were useless to the revolutionary cause. Goldberg fails to mention that they and others even suspected of such reticence were eliminated. He then goes on to state: > [@](#): > > I’m no Marxist, so I don’t buy the idea that anybody — never mind a whole class of people — are beyond persuasion. So in other words he just can’t bring himself to believe that somehow a whole class of people can’t be indoctrinated to think the way he wants them to. I submit that he’s more of a Marxist and more of a liberal than he wants to admit. Further, the people you’ve held up as liberals, **wolfpup** , are really just wannabes, held in check by the democracies they hold positions in. Sort of liberal-lite, if you will. But for full-blown liberalism there’s nothing that comes close to communism to expose it for what it really is. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/117 "2016-12-10T02:39:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So in other words he just can’t bring himself to believe that somehow a whole class of people can’t be indoctrinated to think the way he wants them to. I submit that he’s more of a Marxist and more of a liberal than he wants to admit. [Donald Trump] Wrong! [DT] What he and many other conservatives, like George Will, point out is that indeed the corruption of what conservatism was about is happening with Donald Trump, and you are falling for that corruption. [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/07/george\_will\_trump\_involvement\_in\_carrier\_deal\_socialism.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/07/george_will_trump_involvement_in_carrier_deal_socialism.html) > [@](#): > > GEORGE WILL: I entirely agree. So far Donald Trump’s style is personal, not to say visceral. And ad hoc. And what that adds up to is a kind of use of presidential power absolutely unconstrained by law and statute and all those other niceties. > > The problem is when you have, in the Carrier case, political power used to bring pressure upon a privately owned institution that has fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder value and drive them off with political pressure with making economic decisions about economic assets, you are, in effect, at the end of the day, getting the federal government involved in capital allocation. There is a name for that, it’s called socialism. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/118 "2016-12-10T02:42:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Further, the people you’ve held up as liberals, **wolfpup** , are really just wannabes, held in check by the democracies they hold positions in. Sort of liberal-lite, if you will. But for full-blown liberalism there’s nothing that comes close to communism to expose it for what it really is. This is really retarded, the reality is that liberals also do suffer under communist rule, you are only following a caricature of history and politics. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/119 "2016-12-10T02:47:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yes, **wolfpup** , Stalin, et al., were most certainly liberals. You know, no capitalism, forced lifestyle equality, central planning and government providing for all needs. And oh, yeah, that most obvious liberal trait of all - intolerance for disagreement or criticism! Like I said, I was at a loss to imagine what it is that rattles around in a Trumpster’s brain to evoke the kinds of statements that they bloviate, and now I have a sort of comical insight into it. Tell me, where in the liberal western world like Europe or Canada would you find “no capitalism, forced lifestyle equality, central planning and government providing for all needs”? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Further, the people you’ve held up as liberals, **wolfpup** , are really just wannabes, held in check by the democracies they hold positions in. Do you know what a social democracy is? Never mind. You’re obviously an ignorant and extremist fuckwit. Remember, we don’t need to worry about “intolerance for disagreement or criticism”, either, because I’m sure it’s just a myth that Trump sends out all those tweets in the middle of the night condemning everyone who criticizes him, everyone who protests against him, who has brownshirt thugs at his rallies, or that he has sued everyone who has ever said anything mean about him, or that he’s threatened to bring down press censorship once he’s in power via strengthened libel laws so no one can criticize him! In any case, I guess it’s fortunate that Trump and the extremist ideologues that he’s appointing are all self-sacrificing altruists, and the public good is all they’ve ever wanted! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209/120 "2016-12-10T02:52:50Z")
Donald Trump, his family, and his cabinet are certainly not socialists. I see the set up as more of a monarchy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-an-even-bigger-disaster-than-we-thought/774209.md?page=7)