# Trump is dying **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 27, 2025, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520 "2025-08-27T07:09:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 153
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3042 "2026-06-19T04:40:40Z")
From the King James Version: > Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it _is_ abomination. I wonder why you picked that one verse for your reply. Should I take it personally? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3043 "2026-06-19T04:41:27Z")
Because so-called “True Christians” in this country think that verse is more important than the ones about loving strangers and helping the poor and so on. The fundamentalists are the butt of the joke because they probably couldn’t tell you a single other thing about Leviticus. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3044 "2026-06-19T04:54:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Because so-called “True Christians” in this country think that verse is more important than the ones about loving strangers and helping the poor and so on. The rest of it is “woke”. For real. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3045 "2026-06-19T05:04:50Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > My left sock is more religious than Trump. Unless regarding himself as a god counts as religious. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3046 "2026-06-19T05:06:49Z")
I think it’s more aimed at the straight women, who are sinning, sinning, sinning, and ought to embrace God’s plan that they be lesbians. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3047 "2026-06-19T05:44:51Z")
Fun aside: according to the Talmud, the only female-female sex act that’s forbidden is “rubbing against each other”, but the only punishment is that they are disqualified from marrying a kohen. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3048 "2026-06-19T06:38:39Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Unless regarding himself as a god counts as religious. Isn’t it about time someone informed him about what the Roman emperors did to achieve true apotheosis? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3049 "2026-06-19T06:47:06Z")
Vespasian: “Woe is me, I fear I am becoming a god.” Trump: “A very respected Olympian called me the other day, I can’t tell you which one, but it was Ares, the god of war, son of Zeus, very powerful god, I call him Scary Ares, he had tears in his eyes, he said ‘Sir, nobody’s ever been more of a god than you, the Earth trembles before your feet, everyone keeps telling me Trump is their favorite god, much more worthy of godhood than Obama,’ Obama could never become a god, he’s a low-IQ individual…” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3050 "2026-06-19T10:21:14Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1031045/1): > > It is time that Trump stop acting the fool and sincerely seek God’s Mercy I would much rather Trump strive to undo the harm he has done to others in this life than engage in religious ritual and prayer. Anyone can speak words, it’s by a man’s actions we know his true character. God can read souls, we can’t. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3051 "2026-06-19T11:04:08Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1031045/1): > > I can only hope that Trump, like everyone should rely upon and seek the Mercy of our Lord Jesus for his ample sins. Speaking as a Jew, that sounds like blasphemy _and_ false advertising! ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3052 "2026-06-19T11:56:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > the only female-female sex act that’s forbidden is “rubbing against each other” Of course, on the most expansive read, almost all sex acts involve “rubbing against each other”. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3053 "2026-06-19T13:05:27Z")
Soaking! ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3054 "2026-06-19T13:12:17Z")
Which verse, it’s worth pointing out, which in the original is rather arcane, requiring a fair amount of context clues and linguistics investigating to tease out any coherent meaning, was consistently translated (including King James) as some variety of “thou shalt not rape little boys” until 1946 when someone realized that the Bible doesn’t actually say anything about gay people, so they tortured that passage into being about that instead of child rape. Which is rather emblematic of modern-day conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3055 "2026-06-19T15:13:32Z")
I’d be interested in seeing that laid out in a translation progression of that verse from the original to modern English (via Greek and maybe other languages, I suppose) if you know where I can find one. One that is as close as possible to the original meaning, that is. If that’s possible, without me having to read the yards-long shelf of commentaries that probably exist. And I’m curious how the date 1946 comes into it. Did the King James Version get edited at that time? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3056 "2026-06-19T15:45:23Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I’d be interested in seeing that laid out in a translation progression of that verse from the original to modern English (via Greek and maybe other languages, I suppose) if you know where I can find one. Yes, please! ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3057 "2026-06-19T15:50:50Z")
I may be conflating a few different readings I’ve done on the subject. The 1946 date is the first time the word “homosexual” was used, but the verse was translated in some editions to still prohibit “lung with a man”. The original text translates as something like “man shall not lie the lyings down of a woman”, and the specific words used point to a prohibition of same-sex incestuous rape, which was reflected in several translations until the 20th century. Here’s one analysis: > **[Lost in Translation: Alternative Meaning in Leviticus 18:22 – Queer Bible...](https://blog.smu.edu/ot8317/2019/04/11/lost-in-translation-alternative-meaning-in-leviticus-1822/)** ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3058 "2026-06-19T16:20:32Z")
Continuing the discussion of the Leviticus verse elsewhere (see link immediately above) to avoid further hijacking of the noble purpose of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3059 "2026-06-19T17:48:56Z")
Thank you! Let’s get back to the important stuff: the spectacle of DJT’s declining days, weeks, months. Please don’t say years…_please_… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3060 "2026-06-19T21:24:43Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > We love people who are full of opinions And euphemisms. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/3062 "2026-06-20T02:26:01Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1031045/2): > > That would explain his desecretion of both the Pope and Christ. You missed the Messiah once, I would hope you wouldn’t again. You’re addressing someone who hopes to remain a monotheist; I’m addressing someone who hopes to learn how to spell “desecration.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520.md?page=152) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520.md?page=154)