# Trump is dying **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 27, 2025, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520 "2025-08-27T07:09:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/742 "2025-10-19T21:44:26Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > Yeah but look at what he had to go through to get there. > > He complained very little. He was the original nepo baby. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/743 "2025-10-19T21:59:28Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > That’s a pretty high bar. \< Pete Hegseth enters the Chat \> ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/744 "2025-10-19T22:45:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I don’t think he uses toilets anymore (instead, there’s a hole in the seat of this jet) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WCS_6kFVgaw/maxresdefault.jpg "Hitler travels by plane") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCS_6kFVgaw) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/745 "2025-10-20T10:47:28Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I’m reading that all or most of the major news outlets are protecting Trump by declining to mention anything about the video other than the crown. About the more disgusting aspects, they are silent. Huh. I first heard about it via local Chicago news. Then again, Chicago is not feeling warm and fuzzy towards the administration right now so that tracks. CNN described the “King Jet” although used the term “raw sewage” for the shit payload, but then they avoid saying four letter words like “shit”. _The New York Times_ had [an article](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/19/us/politics/trump-fake-video-no-kings.html?unlocked_article_code=1.u08.3erZ.FRZUqXB3hSan&smid=url-share) about it the day after No Kings II. So… sure, OAN and FOX might not be talking about it but other major news outlets certainly are. ---
**Author:** ![Humanity4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Humanity4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humanity4)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/746 "2025-10-20T14:12:52Z")
I know right, waiting and anticipating for the big beautiful day when the moron goes away ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/747 "2025-10-20T14:16:46Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Huh. I first heard about it via local Chicago news. This kind of thing is old news in Chicago: > **[Dave Matthews Band bus incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Matthews_Band_bus_incident)** > > .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct,.mw-parser-output .geo-inline-hidden{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}41°53′21″N 87°38′22″W / 41.889076°N 87.639371°W / 41.889076; -87.639371 > > On August 8, 2004, a tour bus belonging to the American rock group Dave Matthews Band dumped an estimated 800 pounds (360 kg) of ... ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/748 "2025-10-20T14:45:34Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Are you kidding? NOBODY has ever suffered more than him. He has lived the last 60 years of his life with untreated BONE SPURS! That kept him from fighting in Vietnam but he waged an even more courageous war against venereal disease! Then he had to suffer from the indignities of several unfair bankruptcies! Then when he took his rightful place as the head of the American Empire, there were people who opposed him! Not only that, when he tried to make an honest deal with Ukraine for phony dirt on his opponent in exchange for military support, he was unfairly impeached! Then he was unfairly denied a second term because people didn’t vote for him, he tried to rectify the situation by siccing a group of patriot tourists into the Capitol and was impeached for that! Can you imagine? Being crucified was a piece of cake for Jesus, certainly his pain and suffering was nothing compared to the hardships that Donald has overcome. I know this is supposed to be sarcasm, but there is no doubt in my mind that this is exactly how Trump thinks. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/749 "2025-10-20T14:46:25Z")
If you can call it “thinking”, it’s mostly reflex action at this point I think. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/750 "2025-10-20T15:03:54Z")
It’s because what passes for the CFSG’s “brain” stops at the lizard level. Courtesy of AI. I added the **bolding:** “Lizard brain” refers to the primitive, instinctual part of the brain responsible for survival instincts like the fight, flight, or freeze response. It’s a popular, though oversimplified, term for the most basic brain structures, like the brainstem and amygdala, which trigger immediate reactions to perceived threats. **These responses** are fast but **can override more rational thought processes** ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/751 "2025-10-20T20:06:43Z")
Whatever “rational thought processes” the Orange Peril once possessed (if any) almost certainly atrophied from disuse decades ago. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/752 "2025-10-20T21:40:57Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > He complained very little.        _Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?_ Very little, but in a big way when he did. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/753 "2025-10-20T21:42:13Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > the boy who cried wolf wasn’t wrong about the wolf, he was just early. This is a great aphorism, if aphorism is the right word. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/754 "2025-10-20T21:55:42Z")
The stronger moral is that there _can_ be two bad parties. The wolf didn’t become good because the little boy was a liar. The little boy doesn’t become a saint because the wolf really was a villain (I mean, it’s good that he tried to warn the townsfolk when the wolf really came, but we know from previous evidence that he’s still a questionable individual - arguably, he might only be crying for help, to save himself). Every time you look at a situation and feel like you need to side with someone and that a failure to do so is somehow “both-sidering” is incorrect. There really are situations where there’s no good side, and in that case you’re just being sane and reasonable to be negative on both. There’s other cases where a person is too shy and doesn’t want to risk relationships with anyone, so they use both-siderism to try and stay neutral and in a positive connection with everyone. That’s a dishonest practice of ostriching. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/755 "2025-10-20T21:59:18Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > There really are situations where there’s no good side, and in that case you’re just being sane and reasonable to be negative on both. So we’re talking about Trump’s targeting John Bolton? IN re Hitler on the jet plane—of course I’d been referring to Donald-with-crown flying around doing what he does best, but Hitler’s experience does seem fitting (for either one of them). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/756 "2025-10-20T22:01:30Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Every time you look at a situation and feel like you need to side with someone and that a failure to do so is somehow “both-sidering” is incorrect. There really are situations where there’s no good side, and in that case you’re just being sane and reasonable to be negative on both. In your metaphor, you also have to be careful of false equivalencies. The “boy” is a trolling shithead in the story, letting his boredom endanger everyone, but he’s not directly causing death and destruction, unlike the wolf. On the other hand, the boy is making a deliberate decision to be deceptive and to shirk his duties. The wolf is an animal living by its nature, and not malicious, just hungry and living by instinct. You still have to be cautious about “bothsiderism” when you legitimately have two bad sides in a conflict. You’re not just risking a situation where you make both sides look bad, as you say they might actually be bad, but you also risk making them seem like they aren’t different, when they can be as different as possible while still being bad in their own way. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/757 "2025-10-20T22:07:01Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > So we’re talking about Trump’s targeting John Bolton? Tentatively. So far, it looks like Bolton deserved it - but he hasn’t yet had a chance to defend himself so there’s the potential that there’s more to it than the prosecution has shown. Most indications are that Trump was far more cavalier with classified materials, and his actions to avoid having to defend himself imply the lack of any real defense - as we saw with other things where he was successfully prosecuted/fined. But there’s genuinely no duty to chant for one of them to stay out of jail. They really can both be deserving of going to jail. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/758 "2025-10-20T22:10:50Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > But there’s genuinely no duty to chant for one of them to stay out of jail. They really can both be deserving of going to jail. Agreed. Even if what Trump did was 100 times worse, if Bolton is guilty and it can be proven, he should be prosecuted for it. Regardless of the hypocrisy that the DOJ is ultimately run by a guy far more guilty, it doesn’t excuse whatever Bolton did. It sucks that Trump won’t be going to jail, but the world isn’t always fair. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/759 "2025-10-20T22:11:56Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > They really can both be deserving of going to jail. Yes, absolutely (assuming the Bolton evidence supports that kind of sentence). It’s always important to point out, however, that Donald likely would have ordered Bolton indicted even if Bolton hadn’t been arrogant about his need to write a bestseller, and his decision that this outweighed the need to treat classified information according to protocol. Donald’s indifference to the law is always a story worth highlighting. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/760 "2025-10-20T22:17:00Z")
What we would expect [![](https://techboards.net/media/55da5b0e-8df6-4d8e-a22b-d9e7e38b3141-jpeg.3161/full) ](https://techboards.net/media/55da5b0e-8df6-4d8e-a22b-d9e7e38b3141-jpeg.3161/full) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-dying/1022520/761 "2025-10-20T22:20:16Z")
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