# Trump is no longer funny **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 13, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890 "2016-09-13T23:18:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![zoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/71c47a/32.png) [@zoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/81 "2016-09-15T00:40:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I found it interesting that your favorite blogger I don’t want to be rude but this is exactly the kind of infantile behavior I was quoting from the blog. “If you love him so much why don’t you marry him?” kind of schoolyard remark has become accepted discourse these days. It has not been only recently that I became aware that Trump is a serious candidate. I am not a frequent poster and I wanted to share an angle of Trump that I don’t think gets enough attention. I would like to see everyone point out every day that Trump is a little kid and can’t wipe his own ass without his nanny holding his hand. Better? Let me ask you this Mr. **doorhinge** , Did you read the quoted interview answer and think “Well, that was a thoughtful and well reasoned response” or did it make you think “Holy shit! WTF was that???” ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/82 "2016-09-15T00:55:24Z")
> [@](#): > > “It used to be: cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico… Now cars are made in Mexico and you cant drink the water in Flint.” Donald Trump today in Flint, MI. Now that is damned funny. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/83 "2016-09-15T02:44:00Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …Yes. That is indeed the conclusion one might reach upon seeing Trump so close to the oval office. And the conclusion that the elites are no less stupid and selfish is the conclusion one would reach upon seeing the last 30-40 years of American history. > [@septimus](#): > > 😕 A “true populism” would favor worker’s rights, better police, improvements in the justice system, environmental protection, regulation of predatory banks, etc. I agree, which is why I said we need a populism of that sort over the right-wing pseudo-populism Trump is promoting. > [@](#): > > _ **Trump supporters are on the wrong side of all those issues** _; they’re the racists encouraging police to target innocent blacks, the xenophobes and homophobes who oppose liberal progress, et cetera. When did I ever suggest otherwise? That said, Trump’s agenda of economic nationalism is also an important part of his appeal. > [@](#): > > What percentage of Sanders’ supporters now support Trump? Whatever that number is, any connection must be just at the reptilian-brain level. The average American isn’t very smart and 49% of us are even stupider than that. I don’t see why you are talking about Sanders all of a sudden. And if you are classify Americans as “stupid” then by most measures you’ll be lumping in the greater portion of the black and mestizo population along with the rednecks. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/84 "2016-09-15T02:45:48Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Do you even know what a No True Scotsman is? > > You don’t think there’s a substantial difference between some backwater state congress race from Wyoming (as a random example to demonstrate the principle), where there’s almost no news coverage and only a number of people involved, is less representative of the American electorate than the presidential election, which is the most scrutinized, most reported, most paid attention to, most voted for election with the broadest electoral base? > > Your argument is essentially that if a democrat criminal is elected county dog catcher in Empty, North Dakota, then the democrats are exactly like people who vote for Trump for president. The arrogance that you know my opinion better than I do when you can’t even correctly parse simple sentences is sad. The fact is, regardless of the office, which is completely irrelevant, each party has blindly loyal tribe members. Your fixation on one particular office is a pathetic attempt to paint your tribe in a superior light. Keep fixating on the lack of 100% equivalence between office a and office b. Hell you guys had a senator who let a girl drown. I’d consider that deplorable. Yes, I know, “not the same thing!!11! A senator is not a presidential candidate.” You got me on that. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/85 "2016-09-15T02:48:27Z")
As to the OP, I agree Trump was much funnier when he was humiliating the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/86 "2016-09-15T03:57:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > . . . Hell you guys had a senator who let a girl drown. I’d consider that deplorable. Yes, I know, “not the same thing!!11! A senator is not a presidential candidate.” You got me on that. That’s the reason he wasn’t a presidential candidate. Without that, he would have been. Would’ve won, too. Jack and Bobby, murdered, and Ted fucked up. Bummer. Are you somehow imagining we think that what Ted did was “okay?” It was deplorable, and I don’t know anyone, liberal Democrats included, who think it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/87 "2016-09-15T05:29:17Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > That’s the reason he wasn’t a presidential candidate. Without that, he would have been. Would’ve won, too. > > Jack and Bobby, murdered, and Ted fucked up. Bummer. > > Are you somehow imagining we think that what Ted did was “okay?” It was deplorable, and I don’t know anyone, liberal Democrats included, who think it wasn’t. So deplorable it kept all the good, enlightened, citizens of Massachusetts from voting for Sen. Kennedy repeatedly? No. Is Massachusetts some bastion of the deplorables that gets no proper media? Is it full of ignorant rednecks? And if Kennedy could have defeated Carter in the primaries you know and I know and Senor Beef knows that a majority of Democrats would have voted for Kennedy over Reagan. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/88 "2016-09-15T06:21:51Z")
You denied that presidential campaigns were different from other political campaigns. Yet you, yourself, provided a strong example of a candidate who succeeded in a Senate race, but could not succeed in a Presidential bid. I’m not sure what you think you’re debating, but you’re saying a lot of rude things about the citizens of Massachusetts, without actually furthering your claim. Would it be too much to ask for you to specify exactly what point you think you’re espousing in debate? Because you seem to be jumping all over hell and gone, without actually taking a formal stance. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/89 "2016-09-15T06:47:46Z")
Judge: Members of the jury, have you reached a verdict? Foreman: We have, Your Honor. Judge: And what is your verdict? Foreman: We, the members of the jury, find that both sides do it. Judge: \ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/90 "2016-09-15T08:03:54Z")
Wondering what the fuss about **octopus** was here, I find it started with: > [@octopus](#): > > [QUOTE=Happy Lendervedder] > > I’m starting to think you could take a grey dog turd, name it Cunt Muffin McGillicutty, stick a toothpick with a tiny Nazi flag on top of it, run it for the presidency, and as long as you put an (R) after it’s name on the ballot, it would get at least 95% of the vote from people ID’ing as Republicans. And that’s if Jesus himself returned as a square-jawed white man and ran as a (D) against McGillicutty the Nazi Turd. > > In other words, it just doesn’t matter who or what they vomit out as a candidate anymore. And it’s not one bit funny. That’s actually true for both parties. [/QUOTE] **octopus** tried to back out from that silly position. > [@octopus](#): > > Since I never said that why are you arguing against it as if I did? Of course one can point to criminals who have won election as Democrats. But what is a fair basis for comparison? Can R’s point to a Democrat as despicable as Hastert (R) who had one of the highest positions in the land? To compare apples-with-apples, I’d start with the actual candidates on the stages for the nominations this season. To lump Sanders, in any way, shape or form, with Trump, shows extreme ignorance and poor taste. I think the only one on the (R) stage I had much respect for was Rand Paul — but he has bizarre ideas and his father is a racist. Of all the R’s on the stage, which would be most acceptable as President? Jeb Bush I guess! (I’d have gone with Chris Christie, the corrupt hog, as least of evils, until he went whole-hog and endorsed the buffoon.) After Jeb, Christie, and Paul there’s Kasich (competent but as right-wing as Pinochet or Atilla the Hun) and 13 utterly laughable clowns. Compare that with the Democratic stage. Hillary, O’Malley, the inspiring Sanders. Chafee lacked the charisma to win but has integrity and sound ideas. Comparing candidate quality between the D’s and R’s is a no-brainer. For the D’s we have people like Elizabeth Warren. For the R’s … Michele Bachmann! :smack: @ **octopus** — admit, if you can, that Democrat candidates are significantly better than Republican candidates where it counts. If you can do that, I’ll take your side! If all you can do is repeat “Nanner nanner, you guys elected a criminal also!” than I’ll join in your Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/91 "2016-09-15T08:16:28Z")
Naw, it’s still funny. Even funnier if he wins. It’ll be like the end of Who Framed Roger Rabbit when the weasels laugh themselves to death. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/92 "2016-09-15T08:45:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The arrogance that you know my opinion better than I do when you can’t even correctly parse simple sentences is sad. The fact is, regardless of the office, which is completely irrelevant, each party has blindly loyal tribe members. Your fixation on one particular office is a pathetic attempt to paint your tribe in a superior light. Keep fixating on the lack of 100% equivalence between office a and office b. > > Hell you guys had a senator who let a girl drown. I’d consider that deplorable. Yes, I know, “not the same thing!!11! A senator is not a presidential candidate.” You got me on that. I don’t have a tribe in this one. I’m not a democrat, I’ve never been a democrat, and I don’t think overall the democrats are a good political party. At times I’ve supported individual democrats. But if there were some viable alternative, I would absolutely want them to be beaten or replaced. You can only understand the world in terms of tribalism, and so if I’m criticizing your tribe, I must belong to the opponent’s tribes. And my specific criticisms aren’t based on their merit, but merely because I’m making partisan attacks. So they can just be dismissed. If you honestly can’t tell the difference between Podunk, North Dakota dog catcher elections and elections for the presidency - if you truly think that doesn’t matter - then you have allowed your own adherence to the uber-partisan “but they do it too! they’re just as bad as me!” to completely blind you to obvious reality. As far as Ted Kennedy goes, I honestly don’t know anything about it. It’s before my time. If he killed someone and skated justice because he’s powerful, he should’ve been jailed. But even so, you’re missing one key point in all of this. It’s not as if Trump were a qualified man who had lots of good ideas and had executive competance but made one unforgivable fuckup earlier in his life. He’s a walking fuckup. He has nothing to offer. _His flaws are his platform. His flaws are what he’s running on_. It’s as if Ted Kennedy ran on a platform of “we should drown all women!” and people voted for him. We aren’t being asked to overcome Trump’s drawnacks in order to embrace his good qualities, his flaws are what he’s promising. He’s a manchild demagogue who everyone knows would be an utter disaster. This makes him completely uncomparable to any other serious presidential candidate in my lifetime. If you had integrity, you’d say “my party really fucked up here. I can’t support this” instead of deluding yourself by saying “oh, it could happen to anyone. Trump is just a totally random outcome that has nothing to do with the sort of ideas my party has tried to nurture and the sort of flames they’ve fanned. No, Trump just totally randomly happened, and he just happened to have a little R next to his name, and if he had a D next to his name all the democrats would blindly vote for him! So I don’t actually have to look at myself or my tribe, I can just go on blaming the other side anyway! Whew. That one might’ve been difficult, but I managed to avoid thinking about that one!” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/93 "2016-09-15T09:26:39Z")
Batty’s Corollary: You can always tell which group is acting more egregiously in any binary argument, debate or contest: they’re the ones saying, “Oh yeah! Both sides do it!” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/94 "2016-09-15T09:32:55Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Batty’s Corollary: You can always tell which group is acting more egregiously in any binary argument, debate or contest: they’re the ones saying, “Oh yeah! Both sides do it!” I believe the logical fallacy is called _tu quoque_, Latin for “you, too.” ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/95 "2016-09-15T11:44:17Z")
What would the left equivalent of Trump look like? Kayne West? Oprah? Bill Maher? Maybe Jenny McCarthy? Still better than Trump. Not to mention all the other crazy people the Republicans have put up over the last decade. I can’t recall any Dems having to run commercials denying that they’re witches. There’s no equivalent for all the religious fundamentalists and global warming deniers. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/96 "2016-09-15T12:00:28Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > What would the left equivalent of Trump look like? Kayne West? Oprah? Bill Maher? Maybe Jenny McCarthy? Still better than Trump. > > Not to mention all the other crazy people the Republicans have put up over the last decade. I can’t recall any Dems having to run commercials denying that they’re witches. There’s no equivalent for all the religious fundamentalists and global warming deniers. Funnily enough, some people called it back in '12… [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html) …Of course, the beltway ignored them. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/97 "2016-09-15T14:37:06Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Quote: > "It used to be: cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico… Now cars are made in Mexico and you cant drink the water in Flint."Donald Trump today in Flint, MI. > > Now that is damned funny. Tell it to the workers in Michigan. :rolleyes: \*Sep. 14, 2016 12:10 PM EDT DETROIT (AP) - Ford Motor Co. says it’s moving all of its U.S. small car production to Mexico. Ford CEO Mark Fields confirmed the long-expected move Wednesday during an event for investors and Wall Street analysts. Ford currently makes its Fiesta subcompact in Mexico, but its Focus and C-Max small cars are made in suburban Detroit. Making them in Mexico would boost company profits because of low wages there.\* [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/93d2356ca2e540129277e6959c2ebbcc/ford-confirms-small-car-production-moving-us-mexico](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/93d2356ca2e540129277e6959c2ebbcc/ford-confirms-small-car-production-moving-us-mexico) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/98 "2016-09-15T15:01:07Z")
> [@zoo](#): > > …Let me ask you this Mr. **doorhinge** , Did you read the quoted interview answer and think “Well, that was a thoughtful and well reasoned response” or did it make you think “Holy shit! WTF was that???” (post shortened) Most people who have kept up with “current events” (“current events” meaning the last two years of election news) know that ol’ tired Hillary can, once again, lose her chance at being POTUS. Seriously. After reading that bloggers opinion, I assumed, most people would think that a) that particular blogger is an asshole who wants people to ignore the seriousness of Trump’s campaign (ain’t gonna happen), or b) that particular blogger is an asshole who thinks independent and Republican voters will listen to the whining of an out-of-touch blogger (ain’t gonna happen, either). Either way, it appears that he’s wasting his time. The fact that only two people are following his blog (two? seriously? only two in this day and age of the internet?) kinda/sorta suggests that even yellow dog Democrats aren’t paying attention to that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/99 "2016-09-15T15:03:33Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Most people who have kept up with “current events” (“current events” meaning the last two years of election news) know that ol’ tired Hillary can, once again, lose her chance at being POTUS. Seriously. > > After reading that bloggers opinion, I assumed, most people would think that a) that particular blogger is an asshole who wants people to ignore the seriousness of Trump’s campaign (ain’t gonna happen), or b) that particular blogger is an asshole who thinks independent and Republican voters will listen to the whining of an out-of-touch blogger (ain’t gonna happen, either). Either way, it appears that he’s wasting his time. > > The fact that only two people are following his blog (two? seriously? only two in this day and age of the internet?) kinda/sorta suggests that even yellow dog Democrats aren’t paying attention to that guy. So your answer to the question is…? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/100 "2016-09-15T15:07:02Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > You denied that presidential campaigns were different from other political campaigns. > > Yet you, yourself, provided a strong example of a candidate who succeeded in a Senate race, but could not succeed in a Presidential bid. > > I’m not sure what you think you’re debating, but you’re saying a lot of rude things about the citizens of Massachusetts, without actually furthering your claim. > > Would it be too much to ask for you to specify exactly what point you think you’re espousing in debate? Because you seem to be jumping all over hell and gone, without actually taking a formal stance. Yeah, Kennedy a (D) got beat by Carter a (D). However, he continuously crushed the (R) in senate races. Proving that even letting a girl die wasn’t enough to sway the fine voters of Massachusetts to forego tribal loyalty. Obviously, Kennedy would have got a tremendous amount of the dem vote if he beat Carter. It’s simply stating the fact that both parties have members that vote solely due to (D) or (R). Yeah, I see this board’s echo chamber engaged in dishonest mockery but I didn’t expect better. You know I’m right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890.md?page=6)