# Trump is no longer funny **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 13, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890 "2016-09-13T23:18:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/101 "2016-09-15T15:17:13Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t have a tribe in this one. I’m not a democrat, I’ve never been a democrat, and I don’t think overall the democrats are a good political party. At times I’ve supported individual democrats. But if there were some viable alternative, I would absolutely want them to be beaten or replaced. > > You can only understand the world in terms of tribalism, and so if I’m criticizing your tribe, I must belong to the opponent’s tribes. And my specific criticisms aren’t based on their merit, but merely because I’m making partisan attacks. So they can just be dismissed. > > If you honestly can’t tell the difference between Podunk, North Dakota dog catcher elections and elections for the presidency - if you truly think that doesn’t matter - then you have allowed your own adherence to the uber-partisan “but they do it too! they’re just as bad as me!” to completely blind you to obvious reality. > > As far as Ted Kennedy goes, I honestly don’t know anything about it. It’s before my time. If he killed someone and skated justice because he’s powerful, he should’ve been jailed. > > But even so, you’re missing one key point in all of this. It’s not as if Trump were a qualified man who had lots of good ideas and had executive competance but made one unforgivable fuckup earlier in his life. He’s a walking fuckup. He has nothing to offer. _His flaws are his platform. His flaws are what he’s running on_. It’s as if Ted Kennedy ran on a platform of “we should drown all women!” and people voted for him. We aren’t being asked to overcome Trump’s drawnacks in order to embrace his good qualities, his flaws are what he’s promising. He’s a manchild demagogue who everyone knows would be an utter disaster. This makes him completely uncomparable to any other serious presidential candidate in my lifetime. > > If you had integrity, you’d say “my party really fucked up here. I can’t support this” instead of deluding yourself by saying “oh, it could happen to anyone. Trump is just a totally random outcome that has nothing to do with the sort of ideas my party has tried to nurture and the sort of flames they’ve fanned. No, Trump just totally randomly happened, and he just happened to have a little R next to his name, and if he had a D next to his name all the democrats would blindly vote for him! So I don’t actually have to look at myself or my tribe, I can just go on blaming the other side anyway! Whew. That one might’ve been difficult, but I managed to avoid thinking about that one!” That whole post is ironic. Explaining that many people in each party share a common property is _ **not an explanation of my own personal beliefs, which are irrelevant** _. Surely reading comprehension cannot be this bad. Now if I mistakenly lumped you as part of a group you don’t belong to then I’ve made an error. Anyways if I do vote for Trump, which is irrelevant, than that is my business and for my own reasons. I didn’t for McCain so don’t make assumptions about my behavior that you have no way of knowing. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/102 "2016-09-15T15:18:52Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Tell it to the workers in Michigan. :rolleyes: > > \*Sep. 14, 2016 12:10 PM EDT > DETROIT (AP) - Ford Motor Co. says it’s moving all of its U.S. small car production to Mexico. > > Ford CEO Mark Fields confirmed the long-expected move Wednesday during an event for investors and Wall Street analysts. > > Ford currently makes its Fiesta subcompact in Mexico, but its Focus and C-Max small cars are made in suburban Detroit. Making them in Mexico would boost company profits because of low wages there.\* > > [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/93d2356ca2e540129277e6959c2ebbcc/ford-confirms-small-car-production-moving-us-mexico](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/93d2356ca2e540129277e6959c2ebbcc/ford-confirms-small-car-production-moving-us-mexico) That’s terrible. I pray that they can hold on just a bit longer until President Trump nationalizes the automotive industry. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/103 "2016-09-15T15:20:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s simply stating the fact that both parties have members that vote solely due to (D) or (R). Yeah, I see this board’s echo chamber engaged in dishonest mockery but I didn’t expect better. You know I’m right. We know what we know…and you will assume what you will assume. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/104 "2016-09-15T15:30:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We know what we know…and you will assume what you will assume. It’s clearly not evident by what you write. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/105 "2016-09-15T16:39:09Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > That’s terrible. I pray that they can hold on just a bit longer until President Trump nationalizes the automotive industry. How would you nationalize a global automotive industry? How will tired ol’ Hillary nationalize the automotive industry? Besides, Mexico needs jobs, too. Especially American jobs. It’s the only way to keep ILLEGAL aliens out of the U.S.A… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/106 "2016-09-15T16:40:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yeah, Kennedy a (D) got beat by Carter a (D). However, he continuously crushed the (R) in senate races. Proving that even letting a girl die wasn’t enough to sway the fine voters of Massachusetts to forego tribal loyalty. Obviously, Kennedy would have got a tremendous amount of the dem vote if he beat Carter. > > It’s simply stating the fact that both parties have members that vote solely due to (D) or (R). Yeah, I see this board’s echo chamber engaged in dishonest mockery but I didn’t expect better. You know I’m right. On what basis do you make the claim that voters went for Kennedy on “tribal loyalty”? By all accounts, Ted Kennedy was not just some random schlub or low-impact rando. He’s not exactly Joaquin Castro (“who?” “exactly!”) here. Rather, he was an _extremely_ active and influential member of congress, who fought tirelessly to push liberal and bipartisan legislation for almost as long as my parents have been alive. Expunge Chappaquiddick from his record, and what you’re left with is a great man. Just for comparison. The person you’re comparing him to has never been a politician, never been active in public life, and has shown absolutely no ability, competence, or interest in learning anything about the act of governance. He’s constantly made statements that led to even members of his own party calling him out as deplorable or racist or what have you. What’s more, his approval ratings clearly show that most people kinda hate his guts. A lot. It really couldn’t be more of a poor comparison, really. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/107 "2016-09-15T16:42:08Z")
It appears that tired ol’ **Doorhinge** has irony-poor blood. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/108 "2016-09-15T16:42:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So your answer to the question is…? My answer would be - (drum roll please.) Neither one. Neither choice would be correct. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/109 "2016-09-15T16:59:22Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Actually Marion Barry is the first person that came to mind when SenorBeef was trying to think of a Democratic Trump equivalent, the second would be Cynthia McKinney. The difference of course is that Barry and McKinney have a very narrow constituency, basically consisting of the citizens of his ward and her district. There is no way that such a figure could ascend to represent the party as a whole. I’ll be the first to admit that under one party Democratic rule, DC’s politics has been a mess of corruption and dysfunction, which is why I don’t want the GOP to disappear entirely, rather made less crazy and more open to working with the Democrats. > > That said, I use Barry and McKinney as tests to demonstrate that I am not a true yellow dog Democrat. In an election between either of them and a moderate Republican I would go for the Republican in a heart beat. If it was either of them vs Trump, I’d start looking at what other countries might have need of a statistician. I can’t speak for Barry, but Cynthia McKinney clearly has a (small) national constituency of people that like her. She ran for president in 2008, after all (IIRC on the Green Party line). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/110 "2016-09-15T17:01:32Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > I can’t speak for Barry, but Cynthia McKinney clearly has a (small) national constituency of people that like her. She ran for president in 2008, after all (IIRC on the Green Party line). What percentage of vote did she get? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/111 "2016-09-15T21:03:00Z")
She received 0.12% of the vote in 2008. 161,797 votes in all including 250 from her home state of Georgia. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890/112 "2016-09-15T21:05:18Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > She received 0.12% of the vote in 2008. 161,797 votes in all including 250 from her home state of Georgia. Yeah…I wouldn’t put her in the “Same as Trump…kinda, sorta, if you squint your eyes” category, myself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-no-longer-funny/765890.md?page=5)