# "Trump is not a bad person, make an effort to like him" - oooooooookayee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057 "2016-11-15T15:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/21 "2016-11-16T03:21:52Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I don’t think so… Well, you’re wrong; and denying it won’t change reality any more than it has in the past. Enough of the American electorate are bigoted sadists that they were able to elect one of their own into office \*and \*hand Congress to themselves; and it only gets worse from here. The monsters won; it’s that simple. And there’s not really anything to be done about it. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/22 "2016-11-16T03:29:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Well, you’re wrong; and denying it won’t change reality any more than it has in the past. Enough of the American electorate are bigoted sadists that they were able to elect one of their own into office \*and \*hand Congress to themselves; and it only gets worse from here. > > The monsters won; it’s that simple. And there’s not really anything to be done about it. And yet it wasn’t Trump who got 300k+ Syrians murdered by arming, funding and turning a blind eye to the atrocities of terrorists. Trump’s policies (foreign policy at least) will be far better for the world irrespective of what u say. I oppose his climate change stand and am not sure on his economic policies. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/23 "2016-11-16T03:30:02Z")
Assad \> Obama, Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/24 "2016-11-16T03:32:22Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Assad \> Obama, Clinton. You do know you’re a fucking imbecile, right? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/25 "2016-11-16T03:33:35Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > And yet it wasn’t Trump who got 300k+ Syrians murdered by arming, funding and turning a blind eye to the atrocities of terrorists. Because he didn’t have the power to do so. _Now,_ he can get far more people killed than that. > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Trump’s policies (foreign policy at least) will be far better for the world irrespective of what u say. Hardly. His “policies” will cause the collapse of the international order, worldwide economic disorder or collapse, and multiple wars. With a very good chance of nuclear weapons being used. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/26 "2016-11-16T03:35:34Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You do know you’re a fucking imbecile, right? 1 Lobohan = 1 Human life…add this to itself about 300k times. These many people lost their lives in Syria partially due to Obama administration’s policy. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/27 "2016-11-16T03:40:55Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > 1 Lobohan = 1 Human life…add this to itself about 300k times. These many people lost their lives in Syria partially due to Obama administration’s policy. But mostly to the Republicans, especially their attempted conquest of Iraq. Which both destabilized the region, and [destroyed the Syrian democracy movement](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/25/AR2006102501893.html). And it’s not like Trump is going to do anything but make things worse for them. The best they can hope for is that he does nothing; he might well decide to “nuke ISIS” or some such lunacy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/28 "2016-11-16T03:53:58Z")
Trump is indeed a bad person but I’m willing to keep an open mind until at least mid-2017 to see if he’s also a bad president. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/29 "2016-11-16T03:56:24Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > But mostly to the Republicans, especially their attempted conquest of Iraq. Which both destabilized the region, and [destroyed the Syrian democracy movement](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/25/AR2006102501893.html). > > And it’s not like Trump is going to do anything but make things worse for them. The best they can hope for is that he does nothing; he might well decide to “nuke ISIS” or some such lunacy. I support Iraq war coz I think Saddam Hussain was a tyrant. But Assad is liberal, secular, sophisticated, educated(a medical doctor)and sane person who USA tried to topple. It would have caused annihilation of non-sunni minority and more Islamic intolerance and backwardness (including against women, lgbt etc.) in Syria. So Assad had to stand up and fight the dirty war for correct reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/30 "2016-11-16T04:00:14Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > But Assad is liberal I can no longer take you seriously. I probably wasn’t going to, anyway, but now it’s a permanent condition. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/31 "2016-11-16T04:02:50Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I support Iraq war coz I think Saddam Hussain was a tyrant. And we were worse. Not that we’ve \*ever \*actually cared about democracy or human rights. > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > But Assad is liberal, secular, sophisticated, educated(a medical doctor)and sane person who USA tried to topple. No, he was _another_ mass murdering tyrant. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/32 "2016-11-16T04:09:59Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > 1 Lobohan = 1 Human life…add this to itself about 300k times. These many people lost their lives in Syria partially due to Obama administration’s policy. See that’s the trouble, you believe stupid things. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/33 "2016-11-16T05:13:10Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > But Assad is liberal, . . . and sane person who USA tried to topple. I would love to see you provide any evidence for at least one of these lies that did not originate with Putin. Assad was never liberal. When he took over for is father, there was a hope that he would back off on the authoritarian rule of his father, but, instead, he imposed harsher rules. There is no real evidence that Assad is sane. The U.S. did not “triy to topple” Assad. After his own people rose up in rebellion, the U.S. asked him to step down, and when he ratcheted up the despotic terror, instead, the U.S. began providing limited support for the rebels after Assad instituted a policy of terror against his people. Again, I would love to see some actual (non-Putin sourced) evidence for your false claims. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/34 "2016-11-16T05:23:47Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I would love to see you provide any evidence for at least one of these lies that did not originate with Putin. > Assad was never liberal. When he took over for is father, there was a hope that he would back off on the authoritarian rule of his father, but, instead, he imposed harsher rules. > There is no real evidence that Assad is sane. > The U.S. did not “triy to topple” Assad. After his own people rose up in rebellion, the U.S. asked him to step down, and when he ratcheted up the despotic terror, instead, the U.S. began providing limited support for the rebels after Assad instituted a policy of terror against his people. > > Again, I would love to see some actual (non-Putin sourced) evidence for your false claims. USA should have sided with Assad or at worst remained neutral. Even if I give you the benefit of doubt now, you should atleast realise how much bloodshed atrocities pain and agony American policy caused. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/35 "2016-11-16T05:28:44Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > USA should have sided with Assad or at worst remained neutral. Even if I give you the benefit of doubt now, you should atleast realise how much bloodshed atrocities pain and agony American policy caused. Almost certainly far less than Trump will cause, even if you lay all the blame for Syria at the feet of America. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/36 "2016-11-16T05:32:01Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Trump’s policies (foreign policy at least) will be far better for the world irrespective of what u say. In your next post, **truthSeeker2** , I want you to delineate precisely what the flying jeebus you’re talking about, _preferably augmented with cites_. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/37 "2016-11-16T05:38:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Almost certainly far less than Trump will cause, even if you lay all the blame for Syria at the feet of America. I think you don’t understand Trump…he is smarter than u think…he won the election, its no small achievement. You should appreciate how much he understands the ground situation and peoples minds…he understands difference between what’s Rhetoric n what’s practicable…he can be the best President of USA in a generation… ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/38 "2016-11-16T05:43:26Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I think you don’t understand Trump…he is smarter than u think…he won the election, its no small achievement. You should appreciate how much he understands the ground situation and peoples minds…he understands difference between what’s Rhetoric n what’s practicable…he can be the best President of USA in a generation… No, Trump is smarter than _you_. He’s still pretty fucking stupid though. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/39 "2016-11-16T05:47:05Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I think you don’t understand Trump…he is smarter than u think…he won the election, its no small achievement. He won because he appealed to the most bigoted, sadistic, monstrous parts of the American public, who elected him because they accurately recognized him as a fellow monster. It didn’t require intelligence, it required personal vileness. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/40 "2016-11-16T06:05:11Z")
He also won because the election had the lowest voter turnout in recent history - he won because nobody thought it was even a contest or because they loathed both candidates. Being enough of a buffoon that people don’t take you seriously at all isn’t exactly a proof of great smarts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057.md?page=3)