# "Trump is not a bad person, make an effort to like him" - oooooooookayee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057 "2016-11-15T15:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/161 "2016-11-22T06:27:13Z")
They’d only know about the ones who screwed up and got caught, so they weren’t that good anyway. But yeah, some people have way too much time on their hands. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/162 "2016-11-22T06:47:07Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > It boggles the mind what people find amusing. Create two internet personas and troll a message board? Sure! Sounds like a party in a bag! On another board I post on somebody posted as an entire family and got away with it for some time. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/163 "2016-11-22T07:03:48Z")
And for all we know, all these miserable haters over here could be just 1 or 2 people posting from different IDs. Who cares anyway. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > On another board I post on somebody posted as an entire family and got away with it for some time. Haha… ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/164 "2016-11-23T03:13:51Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > And for all we know, all these miserable haters over here could be just 1 or 2 people posting from different IDs. Who cares anyway. Shut the fuck up, Troll. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/165 "2016-11-23T05:27:21Z")
^ You need love and positivity in your heart. Right now, you are miserable. Your hate affects no one but you. wish you all the best. I love you. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/166 "2016-11-23T20:47:39Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > ^ > . wish you all the best. I love you. Cheers. No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/167 "2016-11-23T22:20:21Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Your hate affects no one but you. The hate of the psychopaths you love so much, however, affects us all. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/168 "2016-11-23T22:33:20Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > ^ > You need love and positivity in your heart. Right now, you are miserable. Your hate affects no one but you. wish you all the best. I love you. Cheers. Bad touch! Bad touch! ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/169 "2016-11-24T23:51:16Z")
Remember, **truthSeeker2** is also the bozo who insists India does not have a rape problem despite it being documented pretty well in the international press. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/170 "2016-11-25T23:25:03Z")
Truthseeker2, Trump’s stated positions have been all over the map. What \*\*actions \*\*has he taken in the past that lead you believe he would be a good president? ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/171 "2016-11-26T01:27:41Z")
> [@seal\_cleaner](#): > > Truthseeker2, Trump’s stated positions have been all over the map. What \*\*actions \*\*has he taken in the past that lead you believe he would be a good president? He probably isn’t an ideal president which is why I wasn’t supporting him by Oct. end. But he is anti-establishment which I like. I dislike American foreign policy in particular which has made wrong countries as allies and supported cancerous jihad groups as well, displaying hypocrisy and causing a lot of human suffering. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/172 "2016-11-26T03:16:46Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > He probably isn’t an ideal president which is why I wasn’t supporting him by Oct. end. But he is anti-establishment which I like. I dislike American foreign policy in particular which has made wrong countries as allies and supported cancerous jihad groups as well, displaying hypocrisy and causing a lot of human suffering. So, you have no answer. I asked about his _actions_, not his rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/173 "2016-11-26T03:34:28Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > But he is anti-establishment which I like. :dubious: What specific reasons do you have for believing that Trump actually **is** in any way “anti-establishment”, rather than just willing to spout a certain amount of anti-establishment rhetoric to endear himself to voters, which he then blithely ignores when it comes to actual policy decisions? Case in point: Trump’s [tax plan](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/for-some-in-middle-class-trump-plan-would-mean-tax-increase/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cbsnews%2Ffeed+(CBSNews.com)) would cut taxes for the richest 1% of Americans by 13.5% on average, while middle-class Americans on average would get only a 2% tax cut and in some cases a tax **increase**. The resulting deficit spikes would be used to justify cuts in government services for, you guessed it, the non-wealthy. How is shortchanging tax revenue and government services in order to provide massive tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers in any way “anti-establishment”? It’s exactly what establishment Republicans **always** do. All Trump’s campaign blathering about how the wealthy shouldn’t be financially benefiting at the expense of the non-wealthy is completely at odds with what he’s actually planning to enact. I’m sorry for any well-meaning person who inadvertently fell for his lies, but what I don’t understand is how any rational person at this point can still be trying to believe them. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/174 "2016-11-26T04:24:04Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > He probably isn’t an ideal president which is why I wasn’t supporting him by Oct. end. But he is anti-establishment which I like. I dislike American foreign policy in particular which has made wrong countries as allies and supported cancerous jihad groups as well, displaying hypocrisy and causing a lot of human suffering. OK, I’ll try a different tack. What, in his business career, has earned your optimism about his presidency? ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/175 "2016-11-26T04:56:43Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: What specific reasons do you have for believing that Trump actually **is** in any way “anti-establishment”, rather than just willing to spout a certain amount of anti-establishment rhetoric to endear himself to voters, which he then blithely ignores when it comes to actual policy decisions? > > Case in point: Trump’s [tax plan](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/for-some-in-middle-class-trump-plan-would-mean-tax-increase/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cbsnews%2Ffeed+(CBSNews.com)) would cut taxes for the richest 1% of Americans by 13.5% on average, while middle-class Americans on average would get only a 2% tax cut and in some cases a tax **increase**. The resulting deficit spikes would be used to justify cuts in government services for, you guessed it, the non-wealthy. > > How is shortchanging tax revenue and government services in order to provide massive tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers in any way “anti-establishment”? It’s exactly what establishment Republicans **always** do. > > All Trump’s campaign blathering about how the wealthy shouldn’t be financially benefiting at the expense of the non-wealthy is completely at odds with what he’s actually planning to enact. I’m sorry for any well-meaning person who inadvertently fell for his lies, but what I don’t understand is how any rational person at this point can still be trying to believe them. > [@seal\_cleaner](#): > > OK, I’ll try a different tack. What, in his business career, has earned your optimism about his presidency? I would choose another anti-establishment candidate, not Trump and I wasn’t supporting him. But Trump is better than status quo IMO. I can’t be certain about this. But I don’t have a better option to choose from. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/176 "2016-11-26T05:02:50Z")
^sorry, I am fairly confident that he will be vastly better in foreign policy but on economy, I don’t have confidence in him. Frankly if USA loses some economic might , it will be not be bad tbh. The world doesn’t have to be working for American consumer. I know thingss have cascading effect for the world but they will settle down. on climate change, his stance is horrible. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/177 "2016-11-26T05:19:58Z")
Buehler?..Buehler?.. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/178 "2016-11-26T05:37:54Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > He probably isn’t an ideal president which is why I wasn’t supporting him by Oct. end. But he is anti-establishment which I like. You are spectacularly uninformed and pathetically gullible. What he said he is, and what he really is, are radically different things. His proposed Cabinet and other senior nominees, and many of the actual announced picks so far, are the very core of the Republican establishment. His chief of staff is the chair of the RNC, for fuck’s sake. His Sec of Education is an anti-education extremist lunatic [who is at the very center](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19806502&postcount=83) of the secretive big-money Republican donor network. His nominee for head of the EPA is a moron who is a long-time CEI establishment anti-science lobbyist. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/179 "2016-11-26T05:56:36Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > You are spectacularly uninformed and pathetically gullible. A troll is what he is. Nothing more and nothing less. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057/180 "2016-11-26T06:06:58Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > A troll is what he is. Nothing more and nothing less. Hello my dear fellow human being. You are pitiable right now. Get well soon. I love you. Wish you all the best. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him-oooooooookayee/772057.md?page=10)