# Trump is not a bad person, make an effort to like him. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149 "2016-11-09T07:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/21 "2016-11-09T07:50:47Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Plus happy for him for defeating the vicious propaganda, fear-mongering and lies. By “propaganda, fear-mongering and lies” do you mean playing recordings of Trump’s own words? ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/22 "2016-11-09T07:52:24Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > In 1986, my high school newspaper editor called me a “long-eared vegetarian.” For the past 30 years, I’ve been sending that guy pictures of my normal-sized ears. We live on different continents now – it hasn’t been easy keeping track of him, through the snail-mail decades, into the digital age, and then into the social media age. But I’ve managed to do it, because it’s important that I put my time and energy into such things. > > But I don’t hold grudges. No, sir, not me! Maybe he was trolling the editor. I am not sure. everyone has bad moments in life. No one is perfect. Many insults have been thrown at him during campaign. He has managed the campaign largely gracefully. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/23 "2016-11-09T07:52:40Z")
We have a new President. It’s time to come together and support our new leader. We don’t really know what the future holds. Let’s give Trump a chance. See what programs he actually tries to enact. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/24 "2016-11-09T07:54:49Z")
Guys, the only reason the OP supports Trump’s is that Trump hates Muslims. All the rest is just bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/25 "2016-11-09T07:55:33Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Maybe he was trolling the editor. I am not sure. everyone has bad moments in life. No one is perfect. > > Many insults have been thrown at him during campaign. He has managed the campaign largely gracefully. As gracefully as a three-legged elephant trying to learn how to tap dance. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/26 "2016-11-09T07:59:46Z")
Lets see…Trump is a proponent for xenophobia, sexism, protectionism, vindictiveness, warmongering and bigotry. While he is my POTUS elect I do not need to concede these facts. I am guessing your definition of what makes someone a “bad person” and mine do not share many common data points. Not that he is to blame for the election results; that blame fully on the Democratic elite whom chose to push an anointed one despite the obvious issues. But I will focus my efforts on getting those short sighted nepotistic idiots removed from the party’s power structure. But as a middle aged white male I don’t have to live in the fear that is very very real for people whom were forced into a less advantageous position purely due to which sperm fertilized their egg. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/27 "2016-11-09T08:01:31Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Guys, the only reason the OP supports Trump’s is that Trump hates Muslims. All the rest is just bullshit. I love and respect Muslims at individual level just as I love non-Muslims. I oppose blanket ban on Muslims’ entry. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/28 "2016-11-09T08:11:11Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > He may not be perfect but he is an honest and a liberal person. He doesn’t hold grudge against opponents. He has won fair and square against odds. He will now be nice to his opponents as well. > > Even though my equity holdings are down for the moment (2%, 3%, 5%…7%), I am happy. > > Please make an effort to see the positives in him and try to like him. Don’t be sad or paranoid or ego-hurt. Wow. I suspect this OP is sarcasm or trolling. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/29 "2016-11-09T08:14:25Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Guys, the only reason the OP supports Trump’s is that Trump hates Muslims. All the rest is just bullshit. I think its high time for liberals to define what “hating Muslims” is vs. opposing the spread of Islam in America and its consequent effects as well as the terror that too often DOES emanate in its name. America just repudiated the knee-jerk “nothing to do with Islam.” ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/30 "2016-11-09T08:28:14Z")
> [@Itself](#): > > …he has no experience in government and no understanding of how it works (e.g., his proposal to negotiate down the federal debt); and he has, despite what you wrote above, a vindicative and litigious streak. There are many presidents I’ve disliked, but Trump is in a class by himself in both his personal and professional failings. Things are also about relative attractiveness…so if attractiveness of the US (of green card, of USD etc) goes down, the attractiveness of rest of the world automatically goes up…This is a good thing for the world at large imo. Also, don’t worry about recession. That will be temporary if at all. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/31 "2016-11-09T08:28:36Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I think its high time for liberals to define what “hating Muslims” is vs. opposing the spread of Islam in America and its consequent effects as well as the terror that too often DOES emanate in its name. America just repudiated the knee-jerk “nothing to do with Islam.” What are the “consequent effects”? Something like you have to share the bus with someone whom prays to a different book revision of a shared god? As for terror, that is confirmation bias on your part because radical christians are the largest source of terrorist attacks in the US. Why are people whom belong to another abrahamic sect more culpable than christians? Justify your special pleading. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/32 "2016-11-09T08:30:17Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > What are the “consequent effects” that you have to share the bus with someone whom prays to a different book revision of a shared god? > > As for terror, that is confirmation bias on your part because radical christians are the largest source of terrorist attacks in the US. while there are some crazies who wouldn’t share a bus with a Muslim, most of the people who oppose Syrian refugees, support Israel strongly, or want the most common brand of terrorism called by its name, Radical Islamic Terrorism, don’t hate Muslims anymore than your average liberal hates Evangelical or Mormon people. [QUOTE=rat avatar] Why are people whom belong to another abrahamic sect more culpable than christians? [/QUOTE] While I don’t think every individual Muslim is culpable, people have misgivings about Islam BECAUSE COUNTRIES ON EVERY CONTINENT ARE NOT SPENDING BILLIONS TO FIGHT AMISH TERRORISM, CATHOLIC TERRORISM, JEWISH HASSIDIC TERRORISM, ETC.!! Get it in your effin heads. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/33 "2016-11-09T08:49:13Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > while there are some crazies who wouldn’t share a bus with a Muslim, most of the people who oppose Syrian refugees, support Israel strongly, or want the most common brand of terrorism called by its name, Radical Islamic Terrorism, don’t hate Muslims anymore than your average liberal hates Evangelical or Mormon people. You still didn’t justify why Syrian refugees are worse, especially under the current vetting process. > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > While I don’t think every individual Muslim is culpable, people have misgivings about Islam BECAUSE COUNTRIES ON EVERY CONTINENT ARE NOT SPENDING BILLIONS TO FIGHT AMISH TERRORISM, CATHOLIC TERRORISM, JEWISH HASSIDIC TERRORISM, ETC.!! Get it in your effin heads. If you ignore the cost of Northern Ireland, US DHS and law enforcement expenditures etc… Are you confusing wars with terrorism? Or are you just selecting those wars based on a narrow time slice that fits your preconceived ideas? Because the proxy wars that were used as theaters of conflict for the superpowers during the cold war were insanely expensive. How about the costs of the drug wars, which are primarily due to the US enforcing protestant moralities across the globe? Or how about ignoring the fact that Afghanistan were destabilized due to both of those two previous efforts. You can capitalize as much as you want, and you can repeat the propaganda that is born from these xenophobic policies. But it doesn’t take much effort to realize that the people fighting over there view themselves as on Luke Skywalkers side, and you are the Empire. But that is the problem in general, it is really hard to hate people if you can’t assign an attribution error, and Trump is one of the main criers of that rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/34 "2016-11-09T08:56:26Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Things are also about relative attractiveness…so if attractiveness of the US (of green card, of USD etc) goes down, the attractiveness of rest of the world automatically goes up…This is a good thing for the world at large imo. …I don’t think you know anything about politics or foreign relations or world affairs. > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Also, don’t worry about recession. That will be temporary if at all. Or economics. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/35 "2016-11-09T09:02:55Z")
I disagree with the OP. I feel that in addition to the fact that he will be a bad President, Trump is a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/36 "2016-11-09T10:23:41Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Wow. I suspect this OP is sarcasm or trolling. Do not accuse other posters of trolling outside The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/37 "2016-11-09T10:28:18Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > He may not be perfect but he is an honest and a liberal person. He doesn’t hold grudge against opponents. . . He will now be nice to his opponents as well. You are providing a description of Trump that is directly counter to everything he has ever said or done. You are predicting that he will turn his personality 180°. That is an interesting take on reality. ---
**Author:** ![RobotDevilDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@RobotDevilDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobotDevilDog)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/38 "2016-11-09T10:52:17Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > He may not be perfect but he is an honest and a liberal person. He doesn’t hold grudge against opponents. He has won fair and square against odds. He will now be nice to his opponents as well. > > Even though my equity holdings are down for the moment (2%, 3%, 5%…7%), I am happy. > > Please make an effort to see the positives in him and try to like him. Don’t be sad or paranoid or ego-hurt. “He will now be nice to his opponents as well.” Are you kidding? He has never once been nice to an opponent in his life. “he is an honest … person” Are you kidding? He was BY FAR the least honest person of all the candidates for president. “Please make an effort to see the positives in him…” I have seen not one single positive in him. I have detested 100% of everything he has said and done. You can feel about him however you want. But some of those statements make no sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/39 "2016-11-09T12:19:51Z")
Let’s stop being coy. We’re all well acquainted with the Trump of whom the OP speaks. The intellectual, erudite to the point of bookishness. The thoughtful, measured orator. The generous philanthropist. The devoted husband. The young stallion in peak physical condition, buff, athletic, devilishly handsome and sporting a fully natural, not-at-all-weird-looking head of raven-black hair. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149/40 "2016-11-09T12:23:19Z")
I can give him a chance as a president, but he’s had enough chances that I can confidently claim that he is a loathsome human being. Hopefully there can be a divergence between the man and the job. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-not-a-bad-person-make-an-effort-to-like-him/771149.md?page=3)