# Trump is the Antichrist to some people, and it's okay with them
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**Created:** [January 7, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048 "2020-01-07T00:46:50Z")
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/1 "2020-01-07T00:46:50Z")
In the Pit **CalMeacham** posted this quote:
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> The Washington Post has reported that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was the main force that pushed Trump into assassinating Iranian Major General Soleimani. Pompeo, according to a New York Times reporter, had a fixation with a bible passage about Queen Esther protecting Israel from Iran. Pompeo’s extreme hostility towards Iran is motivated by his extreme religious beliefs.
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> [www.nytimes.com/](http://www.nytimes.com/)…
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> In November, Mr. Pompeo told a reporter for The New York Times Magazine that the Bible “informs everything I do.” The reporter noticed an open Bible in his office, with a Swiss Army knife marking his place at the end of the book of Queen Esther.
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> Mike Pompeo is a conservative evangelical Christian who believes in the rapture and that God is working through Trump and himself.
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> Both Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence who have pushed Trump towards aggressive action towards Iran believe that there is a battle between good and evil that will end with “the Rapture”. A key belief of the evangelical Christian extremists is the establishment of a “greater Israel” before the end of days.
> **[Pompeo, Awaiting the Rapture, Pushed Trump to Strike Iranian General Soleimani](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/5/1909619/-Pompeo-Awaiting-the-Rapture-Pushed-Trump-to-Strike-Iranian-General-Soleimani?utm_campaign=trending)**
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> The Washington Post has reported that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was the main force that pushed Trump into assassinating Iranian Major General Soleimani. Pompeo, according to a New York Times reporter, had a fixation with a bible passage about...
Coincidentally, I’ve been reading up on Christian Eschatology, the beliefs of some about the end of the world, and had seen “signs” that could be force fitted into fulfillment of prophecy. (Y’know, kids, it doesn’t count as a proper prediction if you make it happen.) These Premillenialists feel we are in the Great Tribulation and Trump is the instrument through which God will destroy three quarters of humanity. In other words, the Antichrist.
In 1947, Bishop Fulton Sheen said of the Antichrist
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> The Antichrist will not be so called; otherwise he would have no followers… he will come disguised as the Great Humanitarian; he will talk peace, prosperity and plenty not as means to lead us to God, but as ends in themselves… He will tempt Christians with the same three temptations with which he tempted Christ… He will have one great secret which he will tell to no one: he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect. He will set up a counterchurch… It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the Antichrist that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ."
> **[Communism and the Conscience of the West](https://books.google.com/books?id=ysKEnQEACAAJ)**
I don’t believe in this stuff; the problem is people who do. But what are your thoughts?
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/2 "2020-01-07T00:58:54Z")
I don’t think Trump is the AntiChrist because the AntiChrist will likely be someone far more competent and capable than Trump. As a pastor put it many years ago, “The AntiChrist will make Hitler look like a choir boy in comparison.” The AntiChrist will probably be someone 100x more competent, cunning, powerful and winsome than Trump ever is or could be.
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### Author:  [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/3 "2020-01-07T01:47:25Z")
And I looked and yet another horseman, though he was riding an elephant. And he was orange of flesh, with a punchable face, and his hair was not his hair but the scat of worms. And a sharpie was in his his hand, and he spoke with the voice of an angry toddler saying, “Worship me, for no greater man has ever lived. Bow down before me. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!”
And despair raced over the land, for he was a lying, incompetent fuck. Even his servants were getting sick of his shit.
And the people wailed onto the Lord that the world must end by such an unworthy one.
And the Lord said to them, “Even as a serpent brought sin into the world, so a shit-spewing snake must take it out.”
And the Lord laughed His Ass off as the people wept. Blessed be the Ass of the Lord.
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/4 "2020-01-07T01:54:36Z")
Well, that’s what YOU say Velocity, but I’d like to hear from someone less dismissive than you or I. Someone who believes Trump possesses those qualities.
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/5 "2020-01-07T01:59:22Z")
Here’s the problem with trying to second guess the Second Coming.
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> But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[a] but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Pompeo and Pence may think they have the end time worked out but God most likely has other plans.
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### Author:  [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/6 "2020-01-07T02:00:53Z")
I believe Trump is a antichrist (there is no ‘the antichrist’, it’s more of a generic term), possible a Nephilim (thus has power over others) and a very evil one at that, and perhaps the first beast as described in revelation. Unquestinable satanic and for whatever reason God has allowed him to rule for this time via deception, and since he lies like a rug and can’t believe a word he says, everything he says and does is deception.
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/7 "2020-01-07T02:03:37Z")
Lovely, Two Many Cats, but I’m thinking more the Abomination of Desolation…
But I’m trying to keep this a serious thread because serious people are doing serious things…
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### Author:  [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/8 "2020-01-07T02:05:20Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#):
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> Here’s the problem with trying to second guess the Second Coming.
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> > Originally Posted by Matthew 24:36-39
> > But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[a] but the Father only. 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
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> Pompeo and Pence may think they have the end time worked out but God most likely has other plans.
But the Father can reveal it:
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> He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in darkness, and light dwells with him.
And in your above Matthew quote the Father did reveal it, to Noah. So if Jesus said it will be like the days of Noah, we can expect revelation to at least one person.
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### Author:  [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/9 "2020-01-07T02:25:39Z")
> [@dropzone](#):
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> But I’m trying to keep this a serious thread because serious people are doing serious things…
“…Always look on the bright side of life…
…Deedo,…deedo, deedo, deedo…”
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### Author:  [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/10 "2020-01-07T02:30:09Z")
Won’t Pompeo and Pence’s faces be red if The End doesn’t arrive soon! I guess they’ll have to convince this POTUS to issue the launch orders. “Go ahead Donny (I mean Mister President) - Gawd Almighty tells me everything will go just fine after you nuke Tehran, Constantinople (I mean Istanbul), Pyongyang, Peking (I mean Beijing), Paris, Ottawa, and San Francisco. We’ll spare Australia - [don’t want to hurt those kangaroos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBrw3rQvKo), do we now?”
When a believer has access to The Button, we’re fucked.
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### Author:  [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/11 "2020-01-07T03:02:31Z")
Sorry for my glibness, but having lived through the Jehovah’s Witness Armageddon Debacle of 1975, I find it impossible to take these things seriously.
So when thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iranians are lying dead, Pompeo and Pence are going to look stupider than ever when the rapture DOESN’T happen.
And maybe, please whatever god there may be, politicians, especially Republicans, will stop kissing the asses of the Evangelicals.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/12 "2020-01-07T03:24:50Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#):
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> Sorry for my glibness, but having lived through the Jehovah’s Witness Armageddon Debacle of 1975, I find it impossible to take these things seriously.
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> So when thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iranians are lying dead, Pompeo and Pence are going to look stupider than ever when the rapture DOESN’T happen.
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> And maybe, please whatever god there may be, politicians, especially Republicans, will stop kissing the asses of the Evangelicals.\*\*
Fat chance.
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### Author:  [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/13 "2020-01-07T04:08:31Z")
Is it just me, or is it getting harder to tell Pence/Pompeo and ISIS apart? Their goals are certainly similar.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/14 "2020-01-07T04:24:34Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#):
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> Pompeo and Pence may think they have the end time worked out but God most likely has other plans.
This kind of thing has happened before.
A lot of Biblical scholars realized that their interpretation of Daniel and Revelation was wrong when the Soviet Union collapsed.
I don’t think Dumpster is THE Antichrist. It’s really obvious that he’s evil.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/15 "2020-01-07T13:35:06Z")
I’ve been a born-again Christian since the fall of 1970, back in the “[Late Great Planet Earth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Late,_Great_Planet_Earth)” days.
Needless to say, I’ve seen prospective End Times come and go. After awhile, if you’ve got a functioning brain, you look and see all those other times that were supposedly about to be the End Times, and you think, “there’s nothing particularly special about this time either, why would anyone who’s been around the block a couple of times believe that _this_ time is _really_ going to be the End Times?”
Mike Pompeo is 56 years old. That’s a bit too old for falling for this shit. He shouldn’t be trusted with the car keys, let alone have a substantial role in government.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/16 "2020-01-07T13:36:42Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#):
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> And I looked and yet another horseman, though he was riding an elephant. And he was orange of flesh, with a punchable face, and his hair was not his hair but the scat of worms. And a sharpie was in his his hand, and he spoke with the voice of an angry toddler saying, “Worship me, for no greater man has ever lived. Bow down before me. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!”
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> And despair raced over the land, for he was a lying, incompetent fuck. Even his servants were getting sick of his shit.
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> And the people wailed onto the Lord that the world must end by such an unworthy one.
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> And the Lord said to them, “Even as a serpent brought sin into the world, so a shit-spewing snake must take it out.”
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> And the Lord laughed His Ass off as the people wept. Blessed be the Ass of the Lord.
Well done! 😃
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### Author:  [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/17 "2020-01-07T13:45:21Z")
> [@dropzone](#):
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> In 1947, Bishop Fulton Sheen said of the Antichrist
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> > …He will set up a counterchurch… It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the Antichrist that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ."
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> I don’t believe in this stuff; the problem is people who do. But what are your thoughts?
I don’t believe in this either, but I’ll be damned if I could come up with a better description of “[Prosperity Gospel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology)” than the above. I’m an atheist, and even I consider this crap to be blasphemous. If it turns out I’m wrong about all this God Stuff, I’m absolutely sure all these fuckers will be burning in hell right beside me.
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### Author:  [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/18 "2020-01-07T14:25:37Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> I don’t think Trump is the AntiChrist because the AntiChrist will likely be someone far more competent and capable than Trump. As a pastor put it many years ago, “The AntiChrist will make Hitler look like a choir boy in comparison.” The AntiChrist will probably be someone 100x more competent, cunning, powerful and winsome than Trump ever is or could be.
The banality of evil
> **[Eichmann in Jerusalem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem)**
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> Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil is a 1963 book by the philosopher and political thinker Hannah Arendt. Arendt, a Jew who fled Germany during Adolf Hitler's rise to power, reported on the trial of Adolf Eichmann, one of the major organizers of the Holocaust, for The New Yorker. A revised and enlarged edition was published in 1964.
> Arendt's subtitle famously introduced the phrase "the banality of evil." In part the phrase refers to Eichmann's deportment at the trial as the ...
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### Author:  [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/19 "2020-01-07T15:02:59Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> I don’t think Trump is the AntiChrist because the AntiChrist will likely be someone far more competent and capable than Trump. As a pastor put it many years ago, “The AntiChrist will make Hitler look like a choir boy in comparison.” The AntiChrist will probably be someone 100x more competent, cunning, powerful and winsome than Trump ever is or could be.
This is exactly what a true evil mastermind would want you to think.
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### Author:  [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/20 "2020-01-07T15:31:18Z")
What evidence do you have that either Pompeo’s or Pence’s beliefs on the end times are affecting their policy beliefs and actions at all? This is just a crazy conspiracy theory.
How is pushing for the assassination of Iran’s chief terrorist leader going to cause to the establishment of Greater Israel?
Who are these Premillienialists who think that Trump is the anti-Christ? I have read the late great planet earth, and seen both “A Thief in the Night” and “Left Behind”. Trump is the opposite of what those works and those behind them thought the anti-Christ was going to be like. Given what happens to the followers of the anti Christ, no one who thought Trump was the anti Christ would follow him.
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