# Trump is the Antichrist to some people, and it's okay with them
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [January 7, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048 "2020-01-07T00:46:50Z")
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/21 "2020-01-07T15:36:58Z")
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> Pompeo, according to a New York Times reporter, had a fixation with a bible passage about Queen Esther protecting Israel from Iran. Pompeo’s extreme hostility towards Iran is motivated by his extreme religious beliefs.
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> [www.nytimes.com/](http://www.nytimes.com/)…
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> In November, Mr. Pompeo told a reporter for The New York Times Magazine that the Bible “informs everything I do.” The reporter noticed an open Bible in his office, with a Swiss Army knife marking his place at the end of the book of Queen Esther.
Do you have a better cite for this? Specifically that Pompeo had the Iranian terrorist general whacked because of a passage in the book of Esther.
Which passage, and where did Pompeo mention his fixation on it?
Also that Pompeo’s hostility to Iran is motivated by his religion, rather than by Iran’s killing Americans, being the leading state sponsor of terrorism, chanting “death to America”, etc.
I am reluctant to take the word of a _New York Times_ reporter based on his allegedly seeing a Swiss Army knife in a Bible.
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> These Premillenialists feel we are in the Great Tribulation and Trump is the instrument through which God will destroy three quarters of humanity. In other words, the Antichrist.
Also some quotes for this. Who are these Pre-millenialists, and where have they stated that Trump is the anti-Christ and that they are OK with it?
TIA.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/22 "2020-01-07T16:37:33Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#):
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> I don’t think Dumpster is THE Antichrist. It’s really obvious that he’s evil.
1 John 2:18:
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> Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
Besides being the first recorded instance of Endtimes Fail :D, John implies that while there may be just one ‘the’ Antichrist, there are many ‘an’ Antichrists. Cantaloupe Caligula might be just one of many Antichrists. 😉
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### Author:  [@sineslayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sineslayer)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/23 "2020-01-07T16:55:38Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#):
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> And I looked and yet another horseman, though he was riding an elephant. And he was orange of flesh, with a punchable face, and his hair was not his hair but the scat of worms. And a sharpie was in his his hand, and he spoke with the voice of an angry toddler saying, “Worship me, for no greater man has ever lived. Bow down before me. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!”
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> And despair raced over the land, for he was a lying, incompetent fuck. Even his servants were getting sick of his shit.
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> And the people wailed onto the Lord that the world must end by such an unworthy one.
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> And the Lord said to them, “Even as a serpent brought sin into the world, so a shit-spewing snake must take it out.”
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> And the Lord laughed His Ass off as the people wept. Blessed be the Ass of the Lord.
most accurate post so far
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/24 "2020-01-07T17:08:45Z")
> [@kanicbird](#):
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> But the Father can reveal it:
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> And in your above Matthew quote the Father did reveal it, to Noah. So if Jesus said it will be like the days of Noah, we can expect revelation to at least one person.
And why did the Father reveal to Noah?
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> Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Want to make the same claim about Pence and Pompeo?
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/25 "2020-01-07T17:21:39Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> I don’t think Trump is the AntiChrist because the AntiChrist will likely be someone far more competent and capable than Trump. As a pastor put it many years ago, “The AntiChrist will make Hitler look like a choir boy in comparison.” The AntiChrist will probably be someone 100x more competent, cunning, powerful and winsome than Trump ever is or could be.
Trump isn’t the Antichrist because there is no such thing. It’s a ridiculous fairy tale.
The problem as described in the OP is not whether or not he’s the Antichrist, it’s that superstitious maniacs like Mike Pompeo think he is.
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### Author:  [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/26 "2020-01-07T17:35:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> I don’t think Trump is the AntiChrist because the AntiChrist will likely be someone far more competent and capable than Trump. As a pastor put it many years ago, “The AntiChrist will make Hitler look like a choir boy in comparison.” The AntiChrist will probably be someone 100x more competent, cunning, powerful and winsome than Trump ever is or could be.
Keep in mind, though, the AntiChrist only needs to be smart and competent enough to fool evangelicals. Trump has pulled that off without even breaking a sweat.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/27 "2020-01-07T17:43:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> The problem as described in the OP is not whether or not he’s the Antichrist, it’s that superstitious maniacs like Mike Pompeo think he is.
Do you have a cite that Mike Pompeo thinks that Trump is the anti-Christ?
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/28 "2020-01-07T17:54:07Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> I’ve been a born-again Christian since the fall of 1970, back in the “[Late Great Planet Earth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Late,_Great_Planet_Earth)” days.
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> Needless to say, I’ve seen prospective End Times come and go. After awhile, if you’ve got a functioning brain, you look and see all those other times that were supposedly about to be the End Times, and you think, “there’s nothing particularly special about this time either, why would anyone who’s been around the block a couple of times believe that _this_ time is _really_ going to be the End Times?”
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> Mike Pompeo is 56 years old. That’s a bit too old for falling for this shit. He shouldn’t be trusted with the car keys, let alone have a substantial role in government.
No fooling. The only way to believe is to have no sense of perspective at all. There have been so many predictions of the end of the world that I’ve toyed with the idea of a library of the apocalypse. Because up until recently, everyone who wanted their prediction to be taken seriously wrote a book about it. I’ve found lists of such books online. I think if I ever won a big lottery, I’d take a shot at collecting them all. Well, pay someone to take a shot at it.
Until then, Wikipedia has a list of predictions. My favorite on the list is Cotton Mather, mostly because he had to reset the date twice and wasn’t afraid to do that.
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> 1736 - Cotton Mather’s third and final prediction for the end of the world.
He died in 1728. I’d like to think that if he’d lived another ten years, he’d have made a fourth prediction.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/29 "2020-01-07T18:11:24Z")
Christopher Hitchens had [some thoughts on the religious desire for Armageddon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h9Bo7dN0fQ) worth noting, I suggest.
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### Author:  [@Hillmanhunter1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hillmanhunter1)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/30 "2020-01-07T18:25:59Z")
Trump is not the Antichrist.
Neither is he Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, not the Easter Bunny.
He is not a golem nor a djinn.
Because none of these things are real.
Trump is real - one of the finest con-artists the world has ever seen.
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### Author:  [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/31 "2020-01-07T18:52:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> Trump isn’t the Antichrist because there is no such thing. It’s a ridiculous fairy tale.
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You do know that Antichrist is defined in the Bible:
> [@1 John 2:22](#):
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> Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
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> [@2 John 1:7](#):
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> I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Seems like it is very much a thing, and one or two might even see one here in this thread 😉
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### Author:  [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/32 "2020-01-07T18:59:11Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#):
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> And why did the Father reveal to Noah?
The Father revealed things to Pharaoh, Also the Lord revealed things to Paul when he was Saul who persecuted christians. Through Daniel and Daniels request to do so, God also revealed things to Nebuchadnezzar.
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> Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him.
Basically it’s up to God if, who and when He reveals things.
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### Author:  [@Hillmanhunter1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hillmanhunter1)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/33 "2020-01-07T19:05:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#):
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> You do know that Antichrist is defined in the Bible:
I have bad news for you, its all untrue, and there’s no such thing as Skymen, good or bad.
Were just highly evolved monkeys, sitting on an insignificant planet, a planet that we seem to be intent on destroying,
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/34 "2020-01-07T19:15:35Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> I’ve been a born-again Christian since the fall of 1970, back in the “Late Great Planet Earth” days.
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> Needless to say, I’ve seen prospective End Times come and go. After awhile, if you’ve got a functioning brain, you look and see all those other times that were supposedly about to be the End Times, and you think, “there’s nothing particularly special about this time either, why would anyone who’s been around the block a couple of times believe that this time is really going to be the End Times?”
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> Mike Pompeo is 56 years old. That’s a bit too old for falling for this shit. He shouldn’t be trusted with the car keys, let alone have a substantial role in government.
Do you have a cite that Mike Pompeo believes that Trump is the anti-Christ, or that he believes that we are currently in the End Times?
Or that he had the Iranian general whacked because of a Swiss Army knife pointing to the book of Esther, or pretty much anything else claimed in the thread.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/35 "2020-01-07T20:22:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#):
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> Do you have a cite that Mike Pompeo believes that Trump is the anti-Christ, or that he believes that we are currently in the End Times?
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> Or that he had the Iranian general whacked because of a Swiss Army knife pointing to the book of Esther, or pretty much anything else claimed in the thread.
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> Regards,
> Shodan
You are mostly asking me for cites for things that I haven’t said.
Read what I’ve posted, figure out what cites might be required, then try again. But damned if I’m going to give you the time of day if you ask me for cites in support of half the posters in this thread.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/36 "2020-01-07T20:29:36Z")
> [@kanicbird](#):
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> You do know that Antichrist is defined in the Bible:
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> and
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> Seems like it is very much a thing, and one or two might even see one here in this thread 😉
The problem, you might have noticed, is that that same passage (as I pointed out earlier) says, “even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.”
Was it the ‘last hour’?
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/37 "2020-01-07T20:36:15Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> The problem, you might have noticed, is that that same passage (as I pointed out earlier) says, “even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.”
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> Was it the ‘last hour’?
“_At the tone, the time will be half-past the Antichrist. beep_”
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### Author:  [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/38 "2020-01-07T20:51:37Z")
This is how shit get’s distorted and blown out of proportion. I know Mike Pompeo and his wife personally. Have had them in my house for dinner. Mike and Susan are Christians (along with 70% of the rest of the country), but I in no way would characterize them as _evangelical christians_ as described by the NYT. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/39 "2020-01-07T21:09:42Z")
I know I prefer accounts of the Trump administration blown well within proportion, is all I can say.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/40 "2020-01-07T21:26:37Z")
Mike Pompeo, like John Bolton, aren’t motivated by scripture or thoughts of the anti-Christ; they simply operate on the belief that American national interests can be secured with military force first and diplomatic finesse once the enemy has submitted. I think they fundamentally understand what makes the United States strong and how its ability to form alliances and project power (not just its raw economic and military might) has had a lot to do with what has made it powerful.
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