# Trump is the Antichrist to some people, and it's okay with them
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [January 7, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048 "2020-01-07T00:46:50Z")
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/41 "2020-01-07T21:34:33Z")
What if the enemy doesn’t submit?
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/42 "2020-01-07T21:40:33Z")
I do wonder if that NYT reporter was reading way too much into the open Bible in Pompeo’s office. Just because Pompeo happened to have the book open at Esther doesn’t mean Esther and Iran and Trump, Soleimani, etc. were connected at all.
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### Author:  [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/43 "2020-01-07T21:55:23Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#):
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> This is how shit get’s distorted and blown out of proportion. I know Mike Pompeo and his wife personally. Have had them in my house for dinner. Mike and Susan are Christians (along with 70% of the rest of the country), but I in no way would characterize them as _evangelical christians_ as described by the NYT. :rolleyes:
He attends an Evangelical Presbyterian Church.
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### Author:  [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/44 "2020-01-07T22:01:37Z")
> [@kanicbird](#):
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> You do know that Antichrist is defined in the Bible:
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> Seems like it is very much a thing, and one or two might even see one here in this thread 😉
So all those things I’ve heard which imply that the antichrist is a single, specific person aren’t in the bible after all, then.
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### Author:  [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/45 "2020-01-07T22:05:53Z")
> [@Hillmanhunter1](#):
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> I have bad news for you, its all untrue, and there’s no such thing as Skymen, good or bad.
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> Were just highly evolved monkeys, sitting on an insignificant planet, a planet that we seem to be intent on destroying,
Peter warned me about this situation:
> [@2 Peter](#):
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> 3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised?
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### Author:  [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/46 "2020-01-07T22:31:28Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> The problem, you might have noticed, is that that same passage (as I pointed out earlier) says, “even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.”
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> Was it the ‘last hour’?
As I see it yes. The last hour is for a group of people, not everyone, but every group of people will have a last hour. For God who is beyond time, it is one instance, for us in time it has happened and will happen.
Relate it to:
> [@Mark 9:1](#):
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> And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
This would have to be true, and I believe we can see this happening in the following as Stephen was being stoned, he did not taste death and saw the kingdom of God coming with power, while Stephen was not present when Jesus said that, the pattern is there that this happens on a ongoing basis (the first case in recorded in Genesis with Enoch):
> [@Acts 7:55](#):
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> But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
So back to the end times, I believe there is a end times for a person or group of people (I have had dreams of those in Hitler’s concentrations camps being ‘raptured’ many did not die at the hand of Hitler, as God took them before that.). It appears we may be at another end time. If so is Trump The Beast ? Not exactly, the Beast has been many things, from Trump to Hitler to Genghis Khan to others, but each may be an antichrist and once you realize ‘the’ antichrist (of your time) you also see the other antichrists thus the Beast. That is the last hour.
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### Author:  [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/47 "2020-01-07T22:59:39Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#):
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> He attends an Evangelical Presbyterian Church.
Eastminster Presbyterian Church in Wichita KS is not what most people would think of when you say _evangelical_. If you use that line of thought, all christians are evangelical.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/48 "2020-01-08T01:05:55Z")
> [@Broomstick](#):
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> What if the enemy doesn’t submit?
I think that’s a very good question.
In this particular case, I think it continues to escalate. Trump has to win this war – he has to. He has no choice. If given the chance, he will keep fucking shit up until Iran is lifeless. Because he has to. If he loses, he’s out of office, his boot lickers get sent home too. And he could very well go to jail. So, he has to win. At any cost.
But there’s a lot of pain that can be inflicted in return. Iran is also fighting for its survival. They will scratch. They will claw. They will bite. They will kick us in the balls.
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/49 "2020-01-08T01:09:12Z")
> [@asahi](#):
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> I think that’s a very good question.
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> In this particular case, I think it continues to escalate. Trump has to win this war – he has to. He has no choice. If given the chance, he will keep fucking shit up until Iran is lifeless. Because he has to. If he loses, he’s out of office, his boot lickers get sent home too. And he could very well go to jail. So, he has to win. At any cost.
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> But there’s a lot of pain that can be inflicted in return. Iran is also fighting for its survival. They will scratch. They will claw. They will bite. They will kick us in the balls.
No matter what, Iran has more to lose. The worst thing that could possibly happen to Trump is that he loses the election or gets removed from office. The U.S. will just plod on with a new administration. Its economy, military, everything is vastly larger than Iran’s.
Iran on the other hand is already facing major economic contraction and its leaders would be in serious trouble - maybe life-threatening trouble - if they are perceived as weak on this.
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/50 "2020-01-08T01:11:07Z")
> [@begbert2](#):
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> So all those things I’ve heard which imply that the antichrist is a single, specific person aren’t in the bible after all, then.
Well, some Christian theological writings write about the difference between lowercase a and uppercase A’s; that there are many antichrists (false teachers?) who will go about in the world, but that there also is one specific particular individual, who is THE Antichrist. That guy will be an uber-dictator type of person for a while.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/51 "2020-01-08T01:35:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> No matter what, Iran has more to lose. The worst thing that could possibly happen to Trump is that he loses the election or gets removed from office.
And faces criminal prosecution and the loss of his criminal enterprise. That’s why he “jokes” about a third term.
> [@Velocity](#):
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> The U.S. will just plod on with a new administration. Its economy, military, everything is vastly larger than Iran’s.
The US is becoming an oligarchy with fewer and fewer people having disproportionate input over decisions that impact that “national” interest. Whoever is making the decisions has disproportionate influence, and risk getting blamed for disproportionate consequences of failure. I would not simply assume that the power brokers in the US will simply ‘plod on.’
> [@Velocity](#):
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> Iran on the other hand is already facing major economic contraction and its leaders would be in serious trouble - maybe life-threatening trouble - if they are perceived as weak on this.
They’ve been facing contraction for some time now. What they’re up against now in 2020 is a threat to the regime and the country itself.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/52 "2020-01-08T02:06:52Z")
> [@Yllaria](#):
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> No fooling. The only way to believe is to have no sense of perspective at all. There have been so many predictions of the end of the world that I’ve toyed with the idea of a library of the apocalypse. Because up until recently, everyone who wanted their prediction to be taken seriously wrote a book about it. I’ve found lists of such books online. I think if I ever won a big lottery, I’d take a shot at collecting them all. Well, pay someone to take a shot at it.
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> Until then, Wikipedia has a list of predictions. My favorite on the list is Cotton Mather, mostly because he had to reset the date twice and wasn’t afraid to do that.
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> He died in 1728. I’d like to think that if he’d lived another ten years, he’d have made a fourth prediction.
I definitely remember this book; interesting that it’s sold out. Never read it, either.
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### Author:  [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2020, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/53 "2020-01-08T04:16:33Z")
> [@asahi](#):
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> …The US is becoming an oligarchy with fewer and fewer people having disproportionate input over decisions that impact that “national” interest. Whoever is making the decisions has disproportionate influence, and risk getting blamed for disproportionate consequences of failure. I would not simply assume that the power brokers in the US will simply 'plod on…
I think if there ever was any doubt that we are in decline, recent events have put it to rest. The religious fanatics and oligarchs of America are picking a war with Iran and we’re just going to let it happen; in fact, there is no real mechanism for preventing it from happening. He has been impeached but his party and his base simply do not care, you can’t really maintain a republic when 42% of the people in it do not value rule of law and democracy. Where I think the oligarchs have miscalculated is in their belief that they can control Trump, he’s an idiot and his government is surrounded by members of a doomsday cult who want to hasten the end of the world.
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/54 "2020-01-09T00:29:33Z")
Just dropping in to let y’all know that I’ve been busy with life things and will answer some questions when I can.
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### Author:  [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2020, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/55 "2020-01-09T05:27:16Z")
> [@dropzone](#):
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> Just dropping in to let y’all know that I’ve been busy with life things and will answer some questions when I can.
How did the tweeting and golf things go?
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### Author:  [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2020, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/56 "2020-01-09T11:27:05Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> I don’t think Trump is the AntiChrist
I don’t think Trump is the antichrist because the antichrist is fucking made up, even within fricking Christian tradition. The Bible talks about antichrists, i.e. people trying to suppress the faith, or simply do not believe. As in Roman officials.
They been dead, in case you haven’t been keeping up with events.
[QUOTE=RTFirefly]
Besides being the first recorded instance of Endtimes Fail
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, long damn hour, innit ?
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### Author:  [@apLundell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apLundell)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/57 "2020-01-10T20:18:33Z")
Out of all of that, I’m most intrigued by the choice of a Swiss Army Knife as a bookmark.
What a strange choice.
Assuming he didn’t jab the blade into the pages, a closed swiss army knife has a pretty smooth surface and an awkward shape. It’s very likely to slide out of a book. Did he have NOTHING in his office that would have worked better?
Did he intentionally choose a weird bookmark so the reporter would notice and mention it?
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/58 "2020-01-10T20:27:49Z")
Who knew bookmarks could be so complicated?
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### Author:  [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/59 "2020-01-10T20:58:46Z")
> [@apLundell](#):
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> Out of all of that, I’m most intrigued by the choice of a Swiss Army Knife as a bookmark.
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> What a strange choice.
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> Assuming he didn’t jab the blade into the pages, a closed swiss army knife has a pretty smooth surface and an awkward shape. It’s very likely to slide out of a book. Did he have NOTHING in his office that would have worked better?
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> Did he intentionally choose a weird bookmark so the reporter would notice and mention it?
Well in all fairness the horcruxes were under that one wobbly leg of his desk, propping open a window, and holding down that stack of declarations of war he’s been meaning to get to.
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-the-antichrist-to-some-people-and-its-okay-with-them/846048/60 "2020-01-10T22:19:24Z")
> [@RioRico](#):
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> How did the tweeting and golf things go?
I’m afraid you’ve mistaken me for another old, fat, crazy guy. I neither tweet nor golf.
All of my research is in my other tablet, which is rebellious at the moment.
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