# Trump is too far out there. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 11, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071 "2016-06-11T01:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071/121 "2016-06-13T13:13:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And I also said that terrorists aren’t signatories to the Geneva conventions. Are we bound to a treaty none can enforce against us when fighting an adversary that doesn’t follow that treaty themselves? Yep. It’s harder to be the good guys. And when you start doing whatever it takes no matter who gets hurt in the process or what principles you have to throw by the wayside, you stop being the good guys. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071/122 "2016-06-13T13:40:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And with regards to your opinions on so-called Geneva Convention and terrorists you might want to do some research. [http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1926&context=facpubs](http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1926&context=facpubs) Seriously, you’re drawing water from a very poisoned well. Why not actually look at [what the actual Convention says?](http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CAT.aspx) > [@](#): > > Article 2 > > 1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction. > > 2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture. > > 3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture. Does it say "if the victim’s nation signed the agreement? No. Earlier in the text, it states: > [@](#): > > Having regard also to the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, adopted by the General Assembly on 9 December 1975, Note the use of the phrase “All Persons”. Did you see any exceptions to All Persons? I sure didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071/123 "2016-06-13T14:38:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The latter two are out there, the first one actually has precedent, so while I’d call it too much for modern sensibilities, it’s at least been done. No, it hasn’t. We have had ethnic or national-origin quotas or restrictions for immigrants before, but never a religious test as such. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071/124 "2016-06-13T16:21:46Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Johnny, this smacks of debate intimidation. If you feel someone’s broken the rule go ahead and report them. We’ll then do our part. > > But threatening to report someone like that? That’s not conducive to debate. I thought it was milder than actually reporting him/her, but OK. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071/125 "2016-06-15T02:01:21Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Seriously, you’re drawing water from a very poisoned well. Why not actually look at [what the actual Convention says?](http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CAT.aspx) > > Does it say "if the victim’s nation signed the agreement? No. Earlier in the text, it states: It says, “Each State Party…in any territory under it’s jurisdiction.” Are you also of the mind that the rules governing players in the NBA pertain to players in all leagues around the world? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071/126 "2016-06-15T13:47:05Z")
Not sure what the NBA has to do with anything. The US tortured people in territory under its jurisdiction. Gitmo is under its jurisdiction, as are foreign lands occupied by the US in times of war. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-is-too-far-out-there/757071.md?page=6)