# Trump Jr. asks supporters to deliberately create conflict during Thanksgiving **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 28, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142 "2019-11-28T20:07:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/41 "2019-11-30T02:38:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m not thrilled about it, and have no intention of picking fights with the few liberals in my family over the holidays, but it’s not enough to convince me to vote for a Democrat, if that’s what you mean by “over the line”. > > Frankly, the whole thing kind of reminded me of Obama asking his supporters to argue with people and get in their faces. > > I don’t think of Donald Trump Jr. as any more of a “political leader” than I imagine you do of Kellyanne Conway’s husband. I don’t think that the OP was asking if this is enough to make someone vote against their natural inclination. I think it was more of an “is this an okay action and completely within the lines of regular social decorum, or is it more akin to cracking jokes and talking shit about someone at a funeral? Is this an action that, if the roles were reversed, you would consider bad form?” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/42 "2019-11-30T05:14:10Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I don’t think that the OP was asking if this is enough to make someone vote against their natural inclination. I think it was more of an “is this an okay action and completely within the lines of regular social decorum, or is it more akin to cracking jokes and talking shit about someone at a funeral? Is this an action that, if the roles were reversed, you would consider bad form?” Even with the roles as they actually are, I consider it “bad form”. Can I ask your opinion of Obama’s “get in their faces” quote? (please note, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread with that tangent, just a simple “approve” or “disapprove” from you should suffice) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/43 "2019-11-30T05:22:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Even with the roles as they actually are, I consider it “bad form”. Can I ask your opinion of Obama’s “get in their faces” quote? (please note, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread with that tangent, just a simple “approve” or “disapprove” from you should suffice) Since you somehow failed to actually give the quote: > [@Barack Obama](#): > > "I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face. And if they tell you that, ‘Well, we’re not sure where he stands on guns.’ I want you to say, ‘He believes in the Second Amendment.’ If they tell you, ‘Well, he’s going to raise your taxes,’ you say, ‘No, he’s not, he’s going lower them.’ You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case. I guess I missed the part where he discussed triggering people and mocking them. Could you point it out to me? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/44 "2019-11-30T05:34:57Z")
Obama also failed to offer an autographed book for the best ambassadorship caught on video. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/45 "2019-11-30T06:55:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Obama also failed to offer an autographed book for the best ambassadorship caught on video. Obama didn’t need RNC and PAC help to make the bestsellers list. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/46 "2019-11-30T08:09:19Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Even with the roles as they actually are, I consider it “bad form”. Can I ask your opinion of Obama’s “get in their faces” quote? (please note, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread with that tangent, just a simple “approve” or “disapprove” from you should suffice) I agreed with the sentiment, but I thought he could have worded it better. So, I guess, taking it solely of just the phrase out of context, I disagreed with it. I also think it’s inherently different than trying to provoke someone just to piss them off. Obama was trying to foster debate. Trump just seems to want to be trolling people. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/47 "2019-11-30T10:15:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Even with the roles as they actually are, I consider it “bad form”. Can I ask your opinion of Obama’s “get in their faces” quote? (please note, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread with that tangent, just a simple “approve” or “disapprove” from you should suffice) There is a difference between encouraging others to debate when possible, and encouraging others to troll their own family members during a special occasion and film the result in order to win a book and a hat. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/48 "2019-11-30T14:41:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Republicans: Is this a line he shouldn’t have crossed, or is it one step over the line, Sweet Jesus? Donju is just describing the go-to Republican tactic since at least the beginning of the Tea Party days - your fellow Americans are your enemy, so wage war on them. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/49 "2019-11-30T18:23:10Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > If your republican family member starts trying to talk some shit, just wish them a ‘Happy Holiday’. Make sure to film the melt down… Aw, that probably would not do it. “Kwanzaa,” though… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/50 "2019-11-30T18:24:48Z")
Has Junior posted any videos? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/51 "2019-11-30T18:50:09Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Has Junior posted any videos? He deserves some counter-trolling. Post a video with the title “AWESOME THANKSGIVING LIBERAL FREAKOUT” and have it actually be Stormy Daniels talking disparagingly about Donald senior’s penis. We’ll call it “dick rolling”. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/52 "2019-11-30T19:32:39Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Donju is just describing the go-to Republican tactic since at least the beginning of the Tea Party days - your fellow Americans are your enemy, so wage war on them. Nearby recently I saw a quote something like this: Republicans will do anything to hurt Democrats even if it also hurts innocents. Democrats will do anything to help innocents even if it also helps Republicans. The GOP-nazi platform calls for ethnic, social, and ideological cleansing. Provoke your non-nazi relatives so the stormtroopers will know for sure who to take away for “re-education” or whatever. Happy holidays! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/53 "2019-12-02T00:17:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Even with the roles as they actually are, I consider it “bad form”. Can I ask your opinion of Obama’s “get in their faces” quote? (please note, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread with that tangent, just a simple “approve” or “disapprove” from you should suffice) I think the general consensus is that Obama was asking people to do something different in a different way for an entirely different reason. Do you have any examples of Obama asking his followers to troll family members during family gettogethers for the express purpose of upsetting them? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/54 "2019-12-02T17:25:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Even with the roles as they actually are, I consider it “bad form”. Can I ask your opinion of Obama’s “get in their faces” quote? (please note, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread with that tangent, just a simple “approve” or “disapprove” from you should suffice) No, I’d say anything like that is a sidetrack. Stay focused, people. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/55 "2019-12-02T17:32:56Z")
So, has a winner been announced in Jr.'s “Destroy Your Family-Win Valuable Prizes!” contest? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/56 "2019-12-02T17:46:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So, has a winner been announced in Jr.'s “Destroy Your Family-Win Valuable Prizes!” contest? I believe the prize went to a Mr. Vlad “The Conqueror” Putin. He’s been on quite the winning streak since 2016. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142.md?page=2)