# trump jr: women who cant handle harassment should teach kindergarten **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 14, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538 "2016-10-14T18:46:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/21 "2016-10-14T20:57:17Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I get that he’s an idiot and all, but this wasn’t part of the campaign. It was a few morons on a radio show three years ago. You’ve heard radio shows, right? If you’ve got nothing stupid to say, they mute your mike. It’s nothing, and old nothing to boot. > > Stuff like this baffles me some. It’s like having a convicted serial killer, and seeing stories that his kid cheated on his taxes. I mean, you have a point - but this kid is part of his dad’s campaign now, and his dad is trying to defend himself from claims that he’s a serial harasser, so… its relevant. And - choosing to go on a radio show and spew some dumb/offensive shit is kinda your choice. You have to live with the consequences. In summary, Trump’s kid’s words would be close to meaningless in terms of my vote in a vacuum - but in this context, they are fair game. (As are the various allegations against Bill Clinton - difference is, Hilary has not defended any of her husband’s alleged misconduct. Even more importantly, she doesn’t do this stuff herself.) To put it another way related to your analogy: it’s more like the kid of an accused serial killer (Trump hasn’t been indicted yet, let alone convicted or confessed) talking about how killing hobos would be no big deal, and really, those hobos should’ve been off the streets, and… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/22 "2016-10-14T21:21:03Z")
A cliché involving an apple and a tree comes to mind… ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/23 "2016-10-14T21:27:51Z")
Let’s also not forget what Trump Sr **did** say during the campaign, [back in the good old days, when it was only senior campaign staff who were being called out for sexual harrassment](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/01/donald-trump-sexual-harassment-roger-ailes-fox) > [@](#): > > If Donald Trump’s daughter was sexually harassed at work, “I would like to think she would find another career or find another company if that was the case,” the Republican candidate told an interviewer on Monday. > > The question, specifically framed around the allegations against former Fox News chief Roger Ailes, came in an interview with USA Today. Ailes has been accused of sexual harassment by over 20 women since former Fox News anchor Gretchen Carlson filed a lawsuit against him on 6 July. Most recently, Laurie Luhn, a former Fox News booker, has accused Ailes of maintaining a sexually coercive relationship with her. Ailes has denied all the allegations. > > Trump defended Ailes, a longtime friend, in an interview with Chuck Todd on Meet the Press on 24 July. The Republican nominee said of the allegations: “All of a sudden they’re saying these horrible things about him. It’s very sad. Because he’s a very good person. I’ve always found him to be just a very, very good person. And by the way, a very, very talented person. Look what he’s done. So I feel very badly.” ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/24 "2016-10-14T21:55:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Oh, and it’s the liberals fault. And probably the Beatles. Trump was just going for a little fish and finger pie, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/25 "2016-10-14T22:34:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And in the real world of the past, the law in most states made it virtually impossible for the man to gain custody of his children in a divorce no matter how bad/alcoholic/addicted/irresponsible his wife was. But hey, getting to beat the shit out of her is pretty fair trade off, no? ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/26 "2016-10-14T22:43:32Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > But hey, getting to beat the shit out of her is pretty fair trade off, no? Ah, yes…the Good Old Days. _Sigh._ Right, **SA**? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/27 "2016-10-14T23:02:13Z")
Hillary really should have been more specific when she said she respected Trump’s children. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/28 "2016-10-14T23:03:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And in the real world of the past, the law in most states made it virtually impossible for the man to gain custody of his children in a divorce no matter how bad/alcoholic/addicted/irresponsible his wife was. > > And in the real world of the past a woman could cheat on her husband all over town and when he found out about it and divorced her, he not only lost his kids but had to support his cheating wife for the rest of her [unmarried at least] life with alimony. > > Backatcha! Women have traditionally had it better than men on some issues and worse than men on others. (And I can guarantee there were a hell of a lot more undeserving women getting alimony and child custody than were ever forcibly raped by their husbands or beaten with a stick. :roll eyes: Just because some things were grandfathered in from previous eras and/or technically permitted, they still were hardly commonplace.) I note the thrust today (and hell, for the last 50 years) is to demonize men and seek to eliminate the ways in which women were at a disadvantage in the old days while simultaneously seeking to retain most of their preferential treatment when it comes to societal and romantic mores, divorce and child custody. Funny, that. I bow to the master of false equivalence. [Carly Simon]Nobody does it better.[/Carly Simon] ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/29 "2016-10-14T23:26:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > But hey, getting to beat the shit out of her is pretty fair trade off, no? Do you really and truly think men got to beat the shit out of women back then and it was just hunky-dory? Seriously, do you? The success of the counterculture revolution is much less a mystery to me after having discovered this board. You people will buy into anything, no matter now idiotic, and then say _“Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Let’s throw the baby out with the bathwater!”_ And then when someone, usually a conservative, says, _“You know, that might not be such a good idea”_, you’ll screech _“WOMAN BEATER!!!”_ So predictable. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/30 "2016-10-14T23:39:41Z")
What we have learned is that the past was shittier than the present in one way or another for lots of different kinds of people. Yes? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/31 "2016-10-14T23:42:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Do you really and truly think men got to beat the shit out of women back then and it was just hunky-dory? Seriously, do you? > > The success of the counterculture revolution is much less a mystery to me after having discovered this board. You people will buy into anything, no matter now idiotic, and then say _“Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Let’s throw the baby out with the bathwater!”_ > > And then when someone, usually a conservative, says, _“You know, that might not be such a good idea”_, you’ll screech _“WOMAN BEATER!!!”_ > > So predictable. If there was bad stuff in the past, you’ve shown yourself incapable of recognizing it. All the older black people, and nearly all the older women I’ve spoken to say that there were absolutely terrible things about the 50s, and times are much, much better now. I’m certainly not going to take the word of an old white guy over theirs when they were the ones affected by all the shit from our past. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/32 "2016-10-14T23:54:34Z")
Sorry, but we’re talking about relatively picayune stuff like how women apparently can no longer successfully cope with attention from men…or something. At any rate, I’m sure the families and loved ones of all those who’ve ruined their lives or died from drugs, or been raped, beaten shot and killed due to street gang violence or because some career criminal with dozens of offenses on his record is free and roaming the streets, will be happy to hear that this mysterious little coterie of old people you always seem to have handy to back up your assertions think that things are better today. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/33 "2016-10-14T23:56:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Do you really and truly think men got to beat the shit out of women back then and it was just hunky-dory? Seriously, do you? Yes. Probably 99% of the time. And now, what do you believe? Do you believe that spousal abuse didn’t happen in the old days? Or do you believe that whenever it did, men were arrested and prosecuted? Do you believe that the women’s shelters that are new since the 50s are full of women who are making up their stories? Were the newspapers back in the day full of stories of women being stalked? How about restraining orders and the men who defy them and beat or kill the women who asked for protection? Does that not happen or were they no need for such things because men and women always got along before men started being demonized? What is your understanding of the history of wifebeating? Please, tell us. We need your wisdom to show us the real past. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/34 "2016-10-15T00:00:28Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Yes. Probably 99% of the time. > > And now, what do you believe? Do you believe that spousal abuse didn’t happen in the old days? Or do you believe that whenever it did, men were arrested and prosecuted? Do you believe that the women’s shelters that are new since the 50s are full of women who are making up their stories? Were the newspapers back in the day full of stories of women being stalked? How about restraining orders and the men who defy them and beat or kill the women who asked for protection? Does that not happen or were they no need for such things because men and women always got along before men started being demonized? What is your understanding of the history of wifebeating? Please, tell us. We need your wisdom to show us the real past. No, that’s a new thing. It’s only happened since _Cops_. Why is it that **SA** always seems to come off as a conservative apologist? Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/35 "2016-10-15T00:07:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sorry, but we’re talking about relatively picayune stuff like how women apparently can no longer successfully cope with attention from men…or something. > > At any rate, I’m sure the families and loved ones of all those who’ve ruined their lives or died from drugs, or been raped, beaten shot and killed due to street gang violence or because some career criminal with dozens of offenses on his record is free and roaming the streets, will be happy to hear that this mysterious little coterie of old people you always seem to have handy to back up your assertions think that things are better today. The murder rate is lower today than it was in 1960, and much lower than the 70s through the 90s. Further, things that were legal or de-facto legal back then (like lots of forms of spousal abuse and rape, as well as various brutalizations of minorities) are now actually illegal now and thus tracked in the crime rate. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/36 "2016-10-15T00:12:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Do you really and truly think men got to beat the shit out of women back then and it was just hunky-dory? Seriously, do you? Yes. If the cops came, it wasn’t because she was getting beat, it was because they were making too much noise. Cops did not take spousal abuse seriously. Just because you didn’t personally see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. > [@](#): > > In the U.S., the courts continued to uphold a man’s right to punish his wife with violence until 1871. In a case known as Fulgam vs. the State of Alabama, the court ruled that, “The privilege, ancient though it may be, to beat her with a stick, to pull her hair, choke her, spit in her face or kick her about the floor or to inflict upon her other like indignities, is not now acknowledged by our law.” > > In 1910, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that a wife had [no cause for action](http://www.womensafe.net/home/index.php/domesticviolence/32-reading-about-domestic-violence) on an assault and battery charge against her husband because it “would open the doors of the courts to accusations of all sorts of one spouse against the other and bring into public notice complaints for assault, slander and libel.” > > As recently as 1977, the California Penal Code stated that wives charging husbands with criminal assault and battery must suffer more injuries than commonly needed for charges of battery. > [@](#): > > [Historically](http://www.nursingworld.org/MainMenuCategories/ANAMarketplace/ANAPeriodicals/OJIN/TableofContents/Volume72002/No1Jan2002/DomesticViolenceandCriminalJustice.html), wife or partner abuse has been viewed as a “normal” part of marriage or intimate relationships; an experience that women who have entered marriage or established relationships should expect, or tolerate. Only towards the end of the twentieth century, in the 1970’s, has domestic violence been defined a crime, justifying intervention by the criminal justice system. Interesting trivia. Tennessee was the first State to formally outlaw wife beating, in 1850. Before that, beating your wife was perfectly legal. [Tracey Thurman had to sue the City of Torrington, Ct](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_v._City_of_Torrington) in 1984 to get the cops to pay attention. > [@](#): > > After Tracey Thurman was attacked, stabbed, and nearly killed by her husband on June 10, 1983, a subsequent civil lawsuit judged that the _ **local police had ignored growing signs of domestic violence and had casually dismissed restraining orders and other legal bars to keep Charles “Buck” Thurman, Sr. away from his wife.** _ With this lawsuit, filed in 1984, Thurman was the first woman in America to sue a town and its police department for violating her civil rights, claiming the police had ignored the violence because she was married to the perpetrator. She was awarded $2.3 million. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/37 "2016-10-15T02:24:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The murder rate is lower today than it was in 1960, and much lower than the 70s through the 90s. Further, things that were legal or de-facto legal back then (like lots of forms of spousal abuse and rape, as well as various brutalizations of minorities) are now actually illegal now and thus tracked in the crime rate. But the murder rate is up in Chicago! That disproves everything you said! Cities are much more dangerous today! All crime is up everywhere! I see newspaper headlines about crime! I was too young to read newspapers in the 1950s and so I never read any stories about crime! So it didn’t happen! Leave my memories alone! They’re pure and good and sylvan and copacetic! ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/38 "2016-10-15T02:36:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Sorry, but we’re talking about relatively picayune stuff like how women apparently can no longer successfully cope with attention from men…or something. Seriously??Not wanting somebody to grab your crotch is picayune? I can’t even… ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/39 "2016-10-15T03:05:15Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Seriously??Not wanting somebody to grab your crotch is picayune? I can’t even… I’m expecting the ‘You should be thankful I didn’t MURDER you!’ line of defence from Trump by the end of the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538/40 "2016-10-15T03:09:43Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Seriously??Not wanting somebody to grab your crotch is picayune? I can’t even… Yes, getting groped and grabbed against your will is a trivial matter. We weak women just “can’t cope with attention from men.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-women-who-cant-handle-harassment-should-teach-kindergarten/768538.md?page=3)