# Trump lies he’s the Devil, Biden lies , it oh that’s just old Joe **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404 "2020-10-20T12:01:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/41 "2020-10-20T18:25:56Z")
Hell, I’ll consider spotting the OP all 20K or so of Trump’s lies if he can point to something Biden said that is as yuge a whopper as "“and Mexico will pay for the border wall.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/42 "2020-10-20T18:40:11Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > We still have interesting debates about economic policy, abortion, religious freedom, you name it. But, there’s basically no defending Trump or today’s Republicans, so it will seem like a pile-on whenever politics is involved. I’m of the opinion that some of the banned Republicans could have salvaged themselves if they managed to rein in their tribalism. IMHO, if **Clothaump** , for one, could have managed to stay the hell out of the Pit, he’d still be here “circling the drain”\* with the rest of us but couldn’t help himself. \*His phrase for the status of the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/43 "2020-10-20T18:42:12Z")
I suspect the OP is part of the crowd that considers Trump’s tens of thousands of lies all ‘character’ and fun stories to make a point, and Biden’s as “calculated, manipulative falsehoods.” I’ve been seeing it in a lot of apologist articles, disgustingly enough. So in their POV Trump is just a tale teller, who’s having a good time talking things up, while Biden is lying to take advantage of folks. If that’s the case, the OP is a pathetic fool, rather than a troll. Either way, doesn’t reflect well on them. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/44 "2020-10-20T18:58:32Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > No need to be squeamish about it - all politicians lie, period. Ok, I’ll bite. What are some Obama lies told between when he started his Presidential campaign and January 20, 2017? And I want actual lies, like what Trump tells. They should be: - statements of fact that are verifiably false at the time of the telling - intentional attempts to mislead - I feel bad not having a third criterion This should rule out promises he was unable to deliver on (If you like your insurance plan, Guantanamo, etc) as well as jokes, errors, quickly corrected mis-statements, etc. Honestly curious. TIA, DNT ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/45 "2020-10-20T19:01:27Z")
This gives him too much credit. Don’t over think it. The claim by the OP is just plain bullshit, of exactly the same quality and degree of introspection that his leader Trump displays. “Trump good Biden bad” is all of the thought that went into it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/46 "2020-10-20T19:14:19Z")
Lol, you’ve been here long enough to use the default selection for an unknown third item on a list. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/47 "2020-10-20T19:16:32Z")
Oh I know what it is. Not using it is an intentional choice. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/48 "2020-10-20T19:20:26Z")
I talked to a woman today who: 1. Won’t wear a mask because it doesn’t allow her to smell the bacteria she is inhaling (and if she doesn’t smell them, her body won’t know how to fight them). 2. Believes that Bill Gates is involved in a conspiracy to make us Communist. 3. Hi, Opal! In our conversation, she let on that she had 3 degrees - two Masters and a Ph.D. - taught at the U. of AZ, and is now retired. She did reference that it was critical to get ‘our President’ another 4 years. I still sold her and pocketed my commission, [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zcs1GZocqOh4RoutuvWAgbD9W9sECQ7EHRSvLxE3MB7ZmCObuh-nJL7UBagcvYClW0JUOAWjgoPL_Cd3MrjP9BUojqWRY4Y6hJX82hejylBy3vLdq1gwNR3dq_kGb3_sQQeTA0bpgA=w400-h225-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/FHCcntv3qJ2vXJH4A) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/49 "2020-10-20T19:23:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I still sold her and pocketed my commission, Sold her? Sounds like someone got a bad deal. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/50 "2020-10-20T19:24:24Z")
Maybe someone was buying people to fill Trump rallies. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/51 "2020-10-20T19:25:43Z")
I do insurance. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/52 "2020-10-20T19:51:55Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > This gives him too much credit. I’m not giving them any credit - I just want to differentiate between whether he’s a TrumpieMonkie (reprehensible, but still technically human) following one of the most recent trends of the apologists, or a troll as other posters suggested. Since they haven’t returned to the thread to defend the post, I’m leaning toward the latter however. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/53 "2020-10-20T19:58:38Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Not a lick of difference between them, just how it’s handled. Now I know how this is going to go You know you can’t defend Trump, so dragging everyone down to his level is all you’ve got left? Fuck off, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/54 "2020-10-20T20:02:06Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I do insurance. Life insurance? Do you have different actuarial tables for people who say things like…“Won’t wear a mask because it doesn’t allow her to smell the bacteria she is inhaling” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/55 "2020-10-20T20:33:30Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Not a lick of difference between them, just how it’s handled. If you don’t see that there’s a monumental difference between Trump and Biden… > [@running\_coach](#): > > You’re an idiot. And that’s the truth. \< raspberry \> No raspberry from me, more of a Fuck You. Running Coach is being nice, because he’s a nice guy. Or he’s up to something sinister, because he’s also sinister. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/56 "2020-10-20T20:41:13Z")
Someone who wasn’t trolling would have included what lie from Biden had gotten them so upset, and quoted someone being okay with said lie. But I don’t read this as someone who necessarily can’t be convinced. I read it as those sort of last attempts to justify what they know can’t be justified. They could actually break through to the other side. It’s when they argue counterfactuals as true that they become truly unreachable. It’s more a crossroads: do they realize they’re grasping at straws or just dive in deeper? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/57 "2020-10-20T20:44:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So, you’re saying you’re posting an OP with the expectation that it will garner a negative reaction? What’s that line in the Bible? Something about ‘Cast your baited line into the water…’? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/58 "2020-10-20T21:23:03Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > > [@Jackmannii](#): > > > > No need to be squeamish about it - all politicians lie, period. > > Ok, I’ll bite. What are some Obama lies told between when he started his Presidential campaign and January 20, 2017? And I want actual lies, like what Trump tells. There’s a thing called Google for those who’ve forgotten Obama’s lies. "In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” … A year earlier, Obama bewailed “[neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/12/obamas-odd-series-of-exaggerated-gun-claims/?utm_term=.776087fd4).” The Hill, Washington Post and Politifact have numerous examples of Obama’s whoppers. > **[Fact-checks | PolitiFact](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=barack-obama)** > > PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter. As I suggested previously, Trump has set a new standard for lying. But it’s not as if past Presidents have been paragons of honesty. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/59 "2020-10-20T21:27:59Z")
Here’s a non sequiter- Rush Limbaugh says his lung cancer is terminal! No link, because fuck Rush Limbaugh and his shitty cancer ridden lungs! Pizza Night! ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/60 "2020-10-20T21:37:20Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > "In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” … > > A year earlier, Obama bewailed “[neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/12/obamas-odd-series-of-exaggerated-gun-claims/?utm_term=.776087fd4).” That was a weird article. He doesn’t cover the Glock vs. computer/book comparison, and then puts a really weird spin on the handgun/vegetable one, which he immediately backtracks on. (It was obvious to me on first reading he was observing that there are neighborhoods that are food deserts but where firearms are readily sold, both legally and illegally. Why the article’s author felt the need to detour into background check laws I have no idea.) As best as I can tell at this point, these statements are true, or at worst, mild exaggerations to prove a point. What they aren’t are clearly, objectively lies. Maybe you should go back to that ‘google’ thing you were mentioning and try again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404.md?page=4)