# Trump lies he’s the Devil, Biden lies , it oh that’s just old Joe **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404 "2020-10-20T12:01:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/81 "2020-10-21T14:30:09Z")
Um, I’ve already placed Trump in a class by himself for lying, in at least two previous posts. Based on a number of responses in this thread, the Fugs’ classic line could be restated as “I Saw Some Of The Least Impressive Minds On The Dope Transformed Into Prehensile Rectums”. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/82 "2020-10-21T14:39:30Z")
There is a difference between political spin and outright lying, and our ability to continue governing ourselves is highly dependent on our ability to distinguish between deception in all its variants. Yes, there are examples in which Obama behaved deceptively, but you probably can’t do that job for a fucking day by being totally 100% honest. An omission is an example of a lie. A white lie is a white lie. A spin, putting the best outlook on something - that’s all attempted deception. Not all deception is wrong or bad. As the great poet once wrote, a foolish consistency is indeed the hobgoblin of little minds. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/83 "2020-10-21T15:27:25Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > A poster takes offense at my saying that all politicians lie (while I singled out Trump as a uniquely egregious example), challenging me to name _a single time_ Obama ever lied. > > Even for a person who worships the ground Obama trod upon, this is an utterly moronic assertion, as anyone knows who maintained sentient existence during the past decade. Obama’s many prevarications were described in a linked article by Politifact, further corroborated by the Washington Post and The Hill (other sources exist as well). None of the sites provided can be dismissed as tools of Trump. This is simply a misstatement of what happened. Not a lie, since I think you truly misunderstand. I didn’t take offense, I don’t worship the ground Obama treads upon, and I didn’t assert he had never lied. I asked for examples. You then a) provided an example of true statements that the WaPo misunderstood an b) linked to a Politifact list of untrue statements, not lies. When the problem with your WaPo quote was pointed out, you called me lazy for not traipsing through your Politifact cite and categorizing which ones were actually lies, while making no attempt to do so yourself. Then, later, I looked through the first couple, and one was error, not lie, and the other was, if you squint right, a pretty minor lie. So, I basically ended up where I started with this. Not that Obama is somehow unblemished by any lies at all, but that the ones I’m aware of are really, really minor, and ambiguous enough that there’s no way you’d ever get a perjury conviction if they were told under oath. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/84 "2020-10-21T16:45:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Someone who wasn’t trolling would have included what lie from Biden had gotten them so upset, and quoted someone being okay with said lie. Yeah, the fact that the OP didn’t even bother with this is a pretty clear sign he had no argument and was just trolling. I mean, I’m sure Biden’s told more than a few actual whoppers in his time, but the OP didn’t even attempt to cough up one. SAD! > [@Alessan](#): > > 19 times out of 20, when someone says “Both sides are equally bad”, what they actually mean is, “I can no longer deny that my side is bad, but I can’t yet admit that the other side is better.” And this is why. He knows he can’t defend the indefensible, so he does this. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/85 "2020-10-21T17:11:09Z")
> [@](#): > > What’s that line in the Bible? Something about ‘Cast your baited line into the water…’? Ecclesiastes 11:1 says “Cast your bread unto the water, and after many days you will find it again.” What Ecclesiastes _doesn’t_ add is “…but it’ll be _really_ soggy.” (but it should) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/86 "2020-10-21T18:21:14Z")
But this isn’t about Obama’s lies, its about Biden’s So lets go to politifact and take a look at Biden’s whoppers. There are [6 pants on fire](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=pants-fire&speaker=joe-biden) (3% of checked statements compared to 142 and 16% for Tump.) Note also that many of these go back to his vice presidency. We can look at them one at a time. 1. Trump held the bible upside down: Biden was repeating what some tweets and news reports got wrong. He should have done better fact checking but it was a minor point. Not really his fault. 2. Arrested with the UN ambasidor trying to see Mandela: He got stopped at the airport not arrested. So yeah this is a bit of a whopper, but to his credit he’s stopped making that claim. 3. Claims there is an identifiable Somali community in Delaware: There isn’t maybe he was mixing up two Aftrican countries, or mixing up Delalware with Minnesota, but he got his facts wrong. So may be a lie or may just be an error. Still not a huge deal. 4. When one person sneezes it goes all the way through the airplane (said during swine flu outbreak): According to the air transport association (who has a vested interest in convincing people air transport is safe ) disagree. Again it deosn’t really seem to be a lie so much as a possibly incorrect statement. 5. Rudy Giuliani is probably the most unqualified person to seek the presidency. More opinion than fact, also mostly just rhetoric, along with the “probably” qualifier, not much of a lie. Certainly less of one than Trump makes every day when he talks about the economy. 6. Trump is brain dead: Give me a break. Have the people of Politifact never heard of a phrase being used vernacularly? So of the 6 worst “lies” told by biden, 1-2 are actual lies 2-3 are statements that he ended up being wrong about but which there is no reason to believe he knowingly lied about, and two are just standard rhetoric that only a pedantic stickler would bother fact checking. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/87 "2020-10-21T18:40:16Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Trump is brain dead: Give me a break. Have the people of Politifact never heard of a phrase being used vernacularly? Minor correction, the “brain dead” comment was directed at Bush in October of 2007. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/88 "2020-10-21T18:40:39Z")
It’s Allen Ginsberg who wrote Howl. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/89 "2020-10-21T18:49:41Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Trump held the bible upside down: Biden was repeating what some tweets and news reports got wrong. He should have done better fact checking but it was a minor point. Not really his fault. I never knew this was debunked til now. The reason it caught on was that the rest of the context, his physical and facial attitudes, his lieutenants orders, reflected a perversion of spiritual values. By the time he stood there doing that, it was a kind of moral truth that he was holding upside down values. That couldn’t be debunked. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/90 "2020-10-21T21:13:11Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Rudy Giuliani is probably the most unqualified person to seek the presidency. Obviously wrong. See: Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/91 "2020-10-22T00:38:31Z")
According to the link, Biden said it in October 2007. Did Trump even pretend to run before the 2012 race? ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/92 "2020-10-22T00:48:50Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Obviously wrong. See: Trump. Most unqualified person to seek the presidency… so far. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/93 "2020-10-22T00:51:12Z")
Hey, @eenerms, are you going to come back to your own thread? Maybe mention a lie or two you have in mind? Then, we can see if we can beat those with Trump lies. How 'bout it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/94 "2020-10-22T01:03:34Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Hey, @eenerms, are you going to come back to your own thread? **Maybe mention a lie or two you have in mind?** Then, we can see if we can beat those with Trump lies. How 'bout it? - That’s not how Trumpism works. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/95 "2020-10-22T01:11:57Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That’s not how Trumpism works. More, like leave a stinky dump in the corner of the room, then walk away, and blame the Democrats for it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/96 "2020-10-22T01:57:32Z")
Oh, y’all are in for it now! [![Google Photos](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oml6IE4aqUHfdVFVBIbYjZgG6kLFxu11inCjFaEn3t2_CiTGPzy3KulQzmXehzbQG694y-2C-FxOWmPDLvCuVmEvb7ar7OZvxUl2iqBZtXpAkpuLf7c8Ir15APEvL1X_vma9ZBIz-w=w382-h133-p-k "New item by John Thornton") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tyu52DnfvypxTA7d6) ETA: he’s taking a while. Like Rudy, probably typing with one hand. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/97 "2020-10-22T02:02:37Z")
Biden said he had the Boilermakers union of Penn endorsement Not Biden said he wouldn’t band fracking …not Biden said he marched with the civil rights movement not Said he would not take your guns away not said he was arrested trying to see Nelson Mandela not Said he was the went to a HBC college Delaware State U. Not Said he had nothing to do with Ukraine prosecutor being fireD… video says yes about it…not. Spoke at Sen Bryd funeral And praisiedvhim. Said he had nothing to do with Hunters dealings, Hunter had an interview with MSM admitting to it. Need I go on…go cannibalize your selves. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/98 "2020-10-22T02:03:08Z")
Charming ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/99 "2020-10-22T02:05:27Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Said he would not take your guns away not He didn’t take my guns away. Did he take your guns away? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404/100 "2020-10-22T02:07:36Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > band fracking Band name! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-lies-he-s-the-devil-biden-lies-it-oh-that-s-just-old-joe/923404.md?page=6)