# Trump Magically Turns NFL Games Into Anti-Trump Rallies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216 "2017-09-24T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/501 "2017-09-29T18:54:13Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > What I said: “Packers, Bears, Steelers, Patriots, Saints etc. have said they will in the future stand for the anthem.” With locked arms in solidarity with the rest of the league in protest. From **Southpaw’s** CNN link. > [@](#): > > The teams’ fans put aside the bitter rivalry and linked arms, too, as the Packers and Bears players stood and locked arms during the National Anthem. > The Packers players, coaches and their fans standing with their arms intertwined was meant to be a moment of unity at Lambeau Field in the wake of several protests by players around the league in response to President Donald Trump’s caustic comments last week. You must _hate_ context. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/502 "2017-09-29T18:57:24Z")
Still, gotta like that use of “etc.” to imply and insinuate a whole bunch _more_ teams not actually mentioned, because, really, there were too many to list all of them! Should get his own AM radio talk show, he’s got the stuff for it! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/503 "2017-09-29T19:00:53Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > With locked arms in solidarity with the rest of the league in protest. > From **Southpaw’s** CNN link. I have no problem whatsoever with players standing for the anthem with locked arms. As long as they are standing. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/504 "2017-09-29T19:02:21Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Do you have a macro button for each of your oft-repeated replies? > > Prove us you’re a human. Say something only a human would say. hoo, boy, this should be good ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/505 "2017-09-29T19:02:27Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [man kneeling during taps at Tomb of the Unknown Soldier](https://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/09/picture-of-man-kneeling-during-taps-at-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-is-sparking-outrage-following-nfl-protests/) > > So - disrespectful? Or was he “genuflecting”? From your link, Okrahoma - > [@article linked above about the guy kneeling during Taps at Tomb of Unknown Soldier](#): > > It is unclear exactly why the man seen in the photo is kneeling during taps while everyone else is standing, but most people online are assuming it is in protest. > > Katie Wiederhoeft who took the original photo noted that she was so taken aback she didn’t ask the young man why he was kneeling. **She noted that he was filming with his phone as well.** So … there’s your answer, Okra. Dude’s just trying to get a particular camera angle; right-wing morons flip their shit for moron reasons. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/506 "2017-09-29T19:06:28Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have no problem whatsoever with players standing for the anthem with locked arms. As long as they are standing. So protesting is OK as long as you approve of the position? You do realize they’re still protesting, right? When they lock arms, they can’t place their hands over their hearts. Are you OK with that? That’s not disrespecting the flag? ---
**Author:** ![Southpaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@Southpaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southpaw)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/507 "2017-09-29T19:07:03Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have no problem whatsoever with players standing for the anthem with locked arms. As long as they are standing. Protesting while standing = good. Protesting while kneeling = bad. That makes no sense. Either you’re OK with the players protesting or you’re not. The positioning of the protesters body shouldn’t make a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/508 "2017-09-29T19:08:15Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > So … there’s your answer, Okra. Dude’s just trying to get a particular camera angle; right-wing morons flip their shit for moron reasons. Or he was doing a self-video of his protest to show his buddies how “progressive” he is. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/509 "2017-09-29T19:10:12Z")
> [@Southpaw](#): > > Protesting while standing = good. Protesting while kneeling = bad. > > That makes no sense. Either you’re OK with the players protesting or you’re not. The positioning of the protesters body shouldn’t make a difference. I’ll just repeat what I posted in this thread before: When you stand for the national anthem, together with all the other people around you, of all colors and political creeds, you express unity. You all belong, you are all Americans, and you identify with the country. Whatever color or party or political persuasion you are. When you don’t stand for the anthem, for whatever stupid reason, you are separating yourself from others. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/510 "2017-09-29T19:10:18Z")
How about if they are all standing with their arms outthrust towards the flag with the middle finger extended? They’re standing! And that’s a salute! Sorta. Kinda. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/511 "2017-09-29T19:12:23Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have no problem whatsoever with players standing for the anthem with locked arms. As long as they are standing. What if they are standing and flipping the bird with their hands? Still okely-dokely since they are standing? You are just saying that because Donny Two Scoops tweeted it and so it’s now part of your indoctrination. You lap that shit up. From the Commander in Tweet: Great solidarity for our National Anthem and for our Country. Standing with locked arms is good, kneeling is not acceptable. Bad ratings! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/512 "2017-09-29T19:14:07Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > What if they are standing and flipping the bird with their hands? Still okely-dokely since they are standing? Nope. That would be a sign of disrespect. Locking arms? Isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/513 "2017-09-29T19:17:13Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Nope. That would be a sign of disrespect. **Locking arms? Isn’t**. [Wrong.](https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title36/html/USCODE-2011-title36-subtitleI-partA-chap3-sec301.htm) > [@](#): > > §301. National anthem > > (a) Designation.—The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. > > (b) Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem— > > (1) when the flag is displayed— > > (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; > > (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and > > (C)\*\* all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart,\*\* and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and > > (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed. So you’re advocating disrespect for the flag. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/514 "2017-09-29T19:18:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Wrong.](https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title36/html/USCODE-2011-title36-subtitleI-partA-chap3-sec301.htm) > > So you’re advocating disrespect for the flag. Got it. LOL. Keep playing “gotchas”. That works soooo well. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/515 "2017-09-29T19:20:22Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > LOL. Keep playing “gotchas”. That works soooo well. You are the idiot trying to define what is disrespectful and what form of protest is allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/516 "2017-09-29T19:23:04Z")
Again, I can just repeat what I posted before, since it is so applicable: "When you stand for the national anthem, together with all the other people around you, of all colors and political creeds, you express unity. You all belong, you are all Americans, and you identify with the country. Whatever color or party or political persuasion you are. When you don’t stand for the anthem, for whatever stupid reason, you are separating yourself from others." Locking arms just emphasizes unity. Which is great. The horrible “blunder” by Trump - fizzled. Yet another football (snicker) yanked away from Trump-haters. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/517 "2017-09-29T19:26:00Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Again, I can just repeat what I posted before, since it is so applicable: > > "When you stand for the national anthem, together with all the other people around you, of all colors and political creeds, you express unity. You all belong, you are all Americans, and you identify with the country. Whatever color or party or political persuasion you are. > > When you don’t stand for the anthem, for whatever stupid reason, you are separating yourself from others." > > Locking arms just emphasizes unity. Which is great. The horrible “blunder” by Trump - fizzled. Yet another football (snicker) yanked away from Trump-haters. So, why are you telling me that I can’t put my hand over my heart? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/518 "2017-09-29T19:26:16Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > LOL. Keep playing “gotchas”. That works soooo well. So you have no respect for the law? Not surprised. Explains your desire to ignore the First Amendment. What part of the Constitution will you shit on next? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/519 "2017-09-29T19:36:57Z")
Number two for number two? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/520 "2017-09-29T20:11:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, why are you telling me that I can’t put my hand over my heart? You can only put your hand over someone else’s heart. And that person, on someone else’s heart. And keep going, until it comes back around.A giant circle of respect. A big beautiful representation of unity. Or of something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=27)