# Trump Magically Turns NFL Games Into Anti-Trump Rallies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216 "2017-09-24T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/661 "2017-10-09T02:30:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And you were too stupid to see that the story that he would be standing had been withdrawn as not true. You guys keep telling yourself I didn’t get your asses. What Caper nik did or did not do at this particular time is besides the point. We won’t even get into the idiot “reporter” and the “story”. I hope Caper nik had put away a bunch of his millions before he royally screwed up his failing career. Actually I hope the dumb ass did not do that. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/662 "2017-10-09T02:34:17Z")
So - those posts were just you trolling us? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/663 "2017-10-09T02:34:50Z")
Posted at 2:06p > [@running\_coach](#): > > BREAKING: We deleted a tweet about Colin Kaepernick saying he would stand for national anthem if he returned to NFL. A corrected tweet will follow. > [Tweet](https://twitter.com/AP/status/917110210992451584) > CORRECTION: CBS reporter clarifies on saying Kaepernick would stand for anthem, says they didn’t discuss issue. > [Tweet.](https://twitter.com/AP/status/917111556030304262) > > _Guffaw_ 37 minutes later > [@billfish678](#): > > Poor old Capernik… > > Saw a comment on one of the latest article about him. > > “He’s already pissed off conservatives. Now by standing he will piss off BLM. Whose advising him OJ Simpson”? 🙂 Now, if you saw a story, why didn’t you link? Were you stupid, lazy or you knew it wouldn’t hold up? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/664 "2017-10-09T02:46:50Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Well, some advice is just good advice…though I wouldn’t munch on a Clinton box either…the cobwebs and bats would put anyone off. Whataboutism. Clinton isn’t relevant anymore, but you morons can’t let it go. Still obsessed with her? Do you dream about her? > [@billfish678](#): > > I hope Caper nik had put away a bunch of his millions before he royally screwed up his failing career. Actually I hope the dumb ass did not do that. The man is wealthier than you could ever hope to be and your sorry ass can’t even spell his name properly. Edit: The Richest estimates his net worth at $22 million. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/665 "2017-10-09T02:49:20Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Wow. I didn’t see that coming. > > So waving the _Confederate_ flag is the correct way to honor the sacrifices of veterans? This makes sense to the veterans? _How?_ Were any of them asked (on camera or on mic) to explain it? > > Not trying to put you on the spot. But it would be interesting if that story got any follow-up; seems like some national attention would be appropriate. Don’t think so; a spokesman for the veterans’ group [said his group took the Confederate flag down after people voiced offense](http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Niskayuna-students-veterans-face-off-at-football-12259870.php). Their problem seems to have been cluelessness rather than deliberate provocation. As [another article in the same publication explained about a different incident (a lesbian grandmother with a black girlfriend and mixed-race grandchildren flying a combo Confederate/US flag in front of her house)](http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Churchill-Judge-this-family-by-its-Confederate-11154701.php), > [@](#): > > Yet for some, the flag has come to mean a “Dukes of Hazzard” brand of rural defiance, an anti-authority strain that has always been important to the American character. And though it shocks outsiders, the Confederate flag is not unknown in rural Rensselaer County and other parts of upstate New York. To a lot of people round these parts, the Confederate flag just means “anti-liberal” or, even less specifically, “fuck you”. But you’d think that people making a big fuss about **other** folks’ alleged insufficient respect for patriotic symbols would do the basic due diligence about what message their own iconographic choices are sending. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/666 "2017-10-09T03:15:19Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Salt of the earth…regular people…voters Hence my question. Pence, former governor, used a Peyton Manning event to stage his own political protest at the public’s expense, then he bailed. I don’t think this is expected to warm the hearts of regular people and in most places it wouldn’t; it would anger them. This is all very Indiana-centric though. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/667 "2017-10-09T15:09:07Z")
Our Vice President went to an NFL game yesterday, only to leave immediately when players knelt for the anthem. Now, this was obviously an orchestrated (if lame) PR stunt. But it is telling. Pence was there in his officially capacity as Vice President. He was working, you might say. And he left immediately because he was protesting the players disrespecting the flag. So, I guess the White House is perfectly OK with a) mixing politics and sports and b) peacefully protesting while at work. Good to know. Of course, the NFL players’ protests aren’t funded by tax payer money… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/668 "2017-10-09T15:15:40Z")
A leader would have stayed and listened to their concerns, instead of spending a quarter million taxpayer bucks to exercise his own First Amendment rights. He walked out of _Hamilton_, he walked out of an NFL game, what else has he snowflaked out of rather than engage and lead? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/669 "2017-10-09T15:20:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > A leader would have stayed and listened to their concerns, instead of spending a quarter million taxpayer bucks to exercise his own First Amendment rights. > > He walked out of _Hamilton_, he walked out of an NFL game, what else has he snowflaked out of rather than engage and lead? I believe he left Hamilton _after_ the play was over. ---
**Author:** ![Pippers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5a626/32.png) [@Pippers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pippers)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/670 "2017-10-09T15:26:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > A leader would have stayed and listened to their concerns, instead of spending a quarter million taxpayer bucks to exercise his own First Amendment rights. > > He walked out of _Hamilton_, he walked out of an NFL game, what else has he snowflaked out of rather than engage and lead? You are 100% right. And to answer your question, I say he doesn’t lead. He follows. He follows drumpfs orders. Go forth to the game and if the players don’t stand than you leave. That will show America who’s in charge! The current white house residents are they exact description of the term ‘dickwads’. Actually they’re worse, they are ‘effing dickwads’. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/671 "2017-10-09T17:06:41Z")
Is Trump Pence’s boss? Can he fired Pence if he refuses to go along with the farce? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/672 "2017-10-09T17:35:12Z")
No. The Vice President is elected, not appointed, and can be removed involuntarily only via impeachment or the 25th Amendment process. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/673 "2017-10-09T17:41:08Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Our Vice President went to an NFL game yesterday, only to leave immediately when players knelt for the anthem. That’s so cool! Does it work on all Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/674 "2017-10-09T17:43:59Z")
Wonder what would have happened if they stood for the anthem and _then_ knelt? Makes the point, I think: I am respectful, and I protest. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/675 "2017-10-09T17:48:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wonder what would have happened if they stood for the anthem and _then_ knelt? Makes the point, I think: I am respectful, and I protest. They would have been booed. The Cowboys did the opposite of that, kneeling before the anthem, then standing while the flag was presented and the anthem sang, and they were booed by most of the stadium. It’s been linked before - Kaepernick went to kneeling instead of sitting on the bench after a discussion with a veteran convinced him the act was still respectful of the troops. The subtle and overt racism surrounding the entire topic is disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/676 "2017-10-09T18:31:19Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Our Vice President went to an NFL game yesterday, only to leave immediately when players knelt for the anthem. > Now, this was obviously an orchestrated (if lame) PR stunt. But it is telling. > … 49ers’ safety Eric Reid (one of the players who was kneeling during the anthem _before_ the dotard went senile racist on the whole thing) said of Pence’s actions: “This looks like a PR stunt to me. He knew we had the most players protest. He knew that we were probably going to do it again. And so, **this is what systemic oppression looks like**. A man with power comes to the game, tweets a couple things out and leaves the game, with an attempt to thwart our efforts.” (Emphasis added) Apparently it’s a better course of action to shame and force people to worship a symbol, already hijacked politically by one side, than it is to protect things actually in the Constitution like freedom of speech, rights to peaceably assemble, petition for redress of grievances, and equal protection under the law. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/677 "2017-10-09T18:35:04Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > A leader would have stayed and listened to their concerns, instead of spending a quarter million taxpayer bucks to exercise his own First Amendment rights. Why does he get to spend a quarter million taxpayer dollars to attend an NFL game in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/678 "2017-10-09T20:31:07Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Why does he get to spend a quarter million taxpayer dollars to attend an NFL game in the first place? NFL gameday tickets can be expensive. Plus drinks and food for all the Secret Service agents needed because there are large black people in attendance.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/679 "2017-10-09T22:41:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Don’t think so; a spokesman for the veterans’ group [said his group took the Confederate flag down after people voiced offense](http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Niskayuna-students-veterans-face-off-at-football-12259870.php). Their problem seems to have been cluelessness rather than deliberate provocation. > > As [another article in the same publication explained about a different incident (a lesbian grandmother with a black girlfriend and mixed-race grandchildren flying a combo Confederate/US flag in front of her house)](http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Churchill-Judge-this-family-by-its-Confederate-11154701.php), > > To a lot of people round these parts, the Confederate flag just means “anti-liberal” or, even less specifically, “fuck you”. But you’d think that people making a big fuss about **other** folks’ alleged insufficient respect for patriotic symbols would do the basic due diligence about what message their own iconographic choices are sending. Very interesting–thanks. Yes, no doubt most such people who display the Confederate flag would be deeply resentful of any suggestion that their action signals ‘race hatred’ to onlookers. But that’s just because they’ve carefully avoided thinking about it (or are incapable of thinking about it). ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/680 "2017-10-09T23:24:33Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > No. The Vice President is elected, not appointed, and can be removed involuntarily only via impeachment or the 25th Amendment process. What stops Pence from telling Trump to take Sinatra’s advice? Aside from naked ambition, that is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=35)