# Trump Magically Turns NFL Games Into Anti-Trump Rallies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216 "2017-09-24T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/721 "2017-10-12T19:16:28Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > Another angle: [Adam Neely: Anthem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI7nhSIuHg4). > If you’re interested in music bookmark this guy. He’s really cool. Also, if you haven’t already, Rick Beato’s channel is quite interesting, though a bit more advanced. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/722 "2017-10-13T09:53:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Trump has miscalculated badly. (Or more realistically: his habitual trust in his “instincts” has led him into serious trouble.) > > Trump assumed the team owners would put those defiant blacks in their place–and the glory would redound to Trump. The adulation he’d receive at rallies would put past displays of adoration to shame! > > But that didn’t happen. > > And the thing is: he won’t let it go. He is going to double down. He will enlist _Fox & Friends_ and _The National Enquirer_ to vilify the players, and scold the owners as being cowards, and threaten boycotts…but it will only convince more players to take the knee and more owners to come out on the field and take the knee with them. (Already the owners of the Rams and of the Chargers, at least, have expressed solidarity with the players.) > > Trump will come out of this looking like an ineffectual weakling. It’s his worst nightmare. (Will he try to compensate by ordering the bombing of North Korea? That’s the danger, here.) > [@Okrahoma](#): > > Apparently Trump-haters are not yet tired of constantly being wrong. ROTFLMAO. [How the NFL Lost to Trump](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/trump-nfl-anthem-goodell-flag-215701) ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/723 "2017-10-13T11:12:55Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > ROTFLMAO. > > [How the NFL Lost to Trump](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/trump-nfl-anthem-goodell-flag-215701) TL;DR all of it. However, even if Trump have “won”, can you explain how this whole thing have been good for him or for the nation ? Didn’t he have any more important things to do ? If not, why not ? Have the “losing” side seen the light and now agree they’ve been wrong or are they even more against Trump than before ? Why Trump did this when it’s perfectly obvious that he himself doesn’t respect the anthem, the flag, the troops, the constitution or the law ? Tell us what was the great strategic 9-D chess idea behind this. And try to make it seem like he’s thinking the best of the country. I dare you. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/724 "2017-10-13T11:35:28Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > ROTFLMAO. > > [How the NFL Lost to Trump](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/trump-nfl-anthem-goodell-flag-215701) Seriously, how many times a day do you masturbate while looking at his picture? Seems to me that your loyalty is to him and to him alone, regardless of whether it is right or good for any soul other than him. Did you take a loyalty oath to him personally similar to what Germans did for Hitler? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/725 "2017-10-13T11:35:41Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > ROTFLMAO. > > [How the NFL Lost to Trump](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/trump-nfl-anthem-goodell-flag-215701) Big, red tag says “OPINION” ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/726 "2017-10-13T11:59:30Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > ROTFLMAO. > > [How the NFL Lost to Trump](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/trump-nfl-anthem-goodell-flag-215701) ROTFLMFAO [The NFL beat Trump. Soundly.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/the-nfl-responds-to-trump-by-embracing-its-diversity/2017/09/24/07d57814-a15c-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.901dca7f73ca) Real point is: big fucking deal. You found an editorial/opinion piece that says what you want it to say. I found one that says what I want it to say. Posting other people’s opinion pieces with internet inanities like ROFL is fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/727 "2017-10-13T12:10:54Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > ROTFLMFAO > > [The NFL beat Trump. Soundly.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/the-nfl-responds-to-trump-by-embracing-its-diversity/2017/09/24/07d57814-a15c-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.901dca7f73ca) > > Real point is: big fucking deal. You found an editorial/opinion piece that says what you want it to say. I found one that says what I want it to say. Posting other people’s opinion pieces with internet inanities like ROFL **is fucking stupid**. So is **Okrahoma.** ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/728 "2017-10-13T12:33:11Z")
Goodell, in the midst of many long statements supporting his players, said " he thought players should stand for the anthem". But he’s not changing any policies, he’s not requiring anyone to stand, and he certainly has no intention of “firing the sons-of-bitches”. [http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860248/article/roger-goodell-no-policy-change-on-national-anthem](http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000860248/article/roger-goodell-no-policy-change-on-national-anthem) In a couple of weeks he will attend player-owner meetings to discuss the social issues in question and how to move from “protest to progress”. But Trump needs a win and the only way he can win is by cheating so he made up a lie about Goodell “demanding” that players stand and tweeted it out. Which Goodell immediately refuted. But Trump lies and OkraDumbAssHoma believes. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/729 "2017-10-13T13:32:11Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > ROTFLMAO. > > [How the NFL Lost to Trump](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/trump-nfl-anthem-goodell-flag-215701) “Donald Trump doesn’t play three dimensional chess, as his supporters insist. Sometimes, even the rules of checkers seem to elude him.” Good site, Okra. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/730 "2017-10-13T13:37:37Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > “Donald Trump doesn’t play three dimensional chess, as his supporters insist. Sometimes, even the rules of checkers seem to elude him.” > Good site, Okra. Oh I know Rich Lowry hates Trump. Always had. That doesn’t detract from his analysis. Yet again another football is yanked away from Trump haters. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/731 "2017-10-13T13:50:04Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Oh I know Rich Lowry hates Trump. Always had. That doesn’t detract from his analysis. > > Yet again another football is yanked away from Trump haters. The Howling Yam [shows how much](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/10/12/trump-rips-the-nfl-for-disrespecting-the-flag-then-he-jokes-about-a-military-flag-ceremony/) he respects the flag. > [@](#): > > After he had repeatedly railed against professional athletes over perceived slights to the American flag and military, **President Trump joked on Wednesday about a bugle call that is part of the armed forces’ time-honored tradition of showing respect for the Stars and Stripes.** > > The bugle call occurred during Trump’s interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, conducted in an airplane hangar used by the Pennsylvania Air National Guard in Harrisburg and before the president’s address on tax revision. > > “What a nice sound that is. Are they playing that for you or for me?” Trump said before turning to the audience. **“They’re playing that in honor of his ratings,** ” he added, referencing the popularity of Hannity’s news program. So, shitstain, what do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/732 "2017-10-13T14:24:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I disagree that veterans are super citizens. We need soldiers, but we need teachers, plumbers, electrical linemen, and every other occupation out there. Some have hazards involved. You choose your career, you accept the risks that go with it. To think that your ass should be perpetually kissed for your choice is unreasonable. I agree that warrior worship is out of control in this country. But they are better than average (i.e. superior citizens than average) A cop during the LA riots can quit and go home. A soldier cannot, they know that going in. But I agree military concerns do not trump all other concerns. > [@](#): > > You have a point that the military is quite integrated. But those whose panties are in the greatest twist about this anthem crap are overwhelmingly white and overwhelmingly racist. Well, if you go to any professional sporting event, almost then entire audience in attendance is white, I don’t know that they are overwhelmingly racist. What makes you think they’re racist rather than simply offended by the apparent disrespect towards the flag, the military, the veterans, etc? Just because Kaepernick says he doesn’t mean it that way? Kneeling during the anthem is a variant of flag burning (only without actually burning a flag). You have the right to burn the flag, but you can’t tell others not to be offended by it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/733 "2017-10-13T14:29:50Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Kneeling during the anthem is a variant of flag burning (only without actually burning a flag). You have the right to burn the flag, but you can’t tell others not to be offended by it. Maybe or maybe not. It seems that actually burning a flag is going to have a far more visceral reaction than simply refusing to honor one. Burning suggests more than just mere resistance or silent protest; it’s a form of protest in which hostility is highly visible, and thus the reaction is likely to be intense as well. If one of the players grabbed his package and give the flag the finger, then I’d probably be inclined to agree with you. But just kneeling or refusing to put your hand over your heart is not the same as actually torching or peeing on a flag. There’s a difference in degree. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/734 "2017-10-13T14:44:10Z")
And the difference is intentional, it is a deliberate effort to protest without being an asshole about it. Which is why it is so important to insist that it is deliberately disrespectful, to insist that taking the knee is the same thing as burning the flag. If they accepted it as polite protest, they allow that the protestors are mindful of the feelings of others and making an effort to respect that. Can’t have that. That would be admitting that maybe something is wrong that needs our attention. That something needs to be changed. Pearls are clutched, horrified gasps issue forth. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/735 "2017-10-13T14:47:41Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I for one am sick of this fake phony warrior worship, especially when it comes from draft dodgers and cowards. But then war hawks are usually exactly that type, always ready to fight to the last drop of someone else’s blood (while they line their own pockets). > > However, as a veteran (one who never saw combat) I don’t think I’m superior to anyone and I don’t want anyone putting me on a pedestal - especially not to make cheap political points. It doesn’t mater whether you think you are or not. I’m not saying your stronger smarter or more moral. I’m saying that veterans (whether because they were drafted and didn’t run away to Canada or hide behind daddy’s money; or whether they volunteered) showed a sense of civic duty at some point in their life that probably makes veterans in general better citizens than the average person. because the average person includes draft dodgers like Trump. They necessarily bring down the average. > [@](#): > > The military - every one of them - takes an oath to defend the Constitution. That Constitution says we all have a right to free expression. That includes kneeling or sitting down. It does NOT mean you are free to express yourself only how the Orange Draft Dodging Shit Gibbon lets you. They do not give up their right to criticize others for being weenies. They can criticize Kaepernick for kneeling during the anthem. They can call it unpatriotic and they have every right to be offended. I agree that Trump’s interjection in the debate changed things (at least for me) at that point it was no longer speech by a private citizen. It was the government chilling speech and it was no more acceptable than if the President told businesses who operated under a federal license or tax exempt status to fire members of the Republican party or even members of the KKK. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/736 "2017-10-13T14:50:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump signaled far, far more disrespect for the military and veterans during his campaign and hypocritical assholes like you still voted for him and continue to defend his idiocy. I didn’t vote for him, I voted for her. I generally don’t defend his idiocy. I do occasionally point out the idiocy on the left. But I understand that these days criticizing the left is the same thing as voting for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/737 "2017-10-13T14:51:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They do not give up their right to criticize others for being weenies. They can criticize Kaepernick for kneeling during the anthem. They can call it unpatriotic and they have every right to be offended. They gave up their right to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/738 "2017-10-13T14:52:20Z")
> [@](#): > > …I do occasionally point out the idiocy on the left. But I understand that these days criticizing the left is the same thing as voting for Trump. Oh, you poor dear! Group hug for **DA**! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/739 "2017-10-13T14:52:48Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I agree that warrior worship is out of control in this country. The poster claiming that the kneelers are offending veterans and the military was _you_. Gonna tell us why you brought them into it if you think it’s out of control? > [@](#): > > Kneeling during the anthem is a variant of flag burning (only without actually burning a flag). Get a grip, man. Then answer the earlier question about what form of protest against racism and police brutality you would consider acceptable. Is there one? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/740 "2017-10-13T14:54:39Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Perhaps because they do not signal disrespect for any of these things. It isn’t about the flag, it isn’t about the military, it isn’t about veterans. It’s about black people being victims of police violence. If you think that your being upset because people don’t behave as you want them to is their problem, you’ve got it backwards. Its a form of flag burning (without actually burning a flag) and reasonable people can be offended by that. You may not find it offensive but others do. You cannot tell other people not to be offended by something that can objectively be perceived as offensive by saying “oh calm down, I didn’t mean it that way” So lets say that in the process of protesting torture, a former POW referred to his torturers as gooks. He meant no offense to Asians generally and the issue he wants to focus on is torture but he continues to use the term gook while continuing to say its not about racism, its about torture. Can he deflect criticism of his use of the term that some find offensive by saying that it isn’t about racism? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=38)