# Trump Magically Turns NFL Games Into Anti-Trump Rallies **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 24, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216 "2017-09-24T20:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/161 "2017-09-25T19:04:16Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Yes, that is worse. And they didn’t do anything except raise sons who reached a level of success in their profession that few sons do. From what I’ve gathered (and I’m more than happy to be wrong, the majority of it comes from a single book detailing the history of “Motherfucker”), black culture is defined by the mother. She’s the pinnacle of the family unit, and disrespecting her is, simply, fighting words. Calling out their mothers was far more likely to get an overwhelmingly negative response than simply going with “assholes”, “jackasses”, or “fucking fukfuks”. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/162 "2017-09-25T19:06:12Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I created a thread just for you… So you were bullshitting about answering questions posed to you in this thread then? By the way, I predict that new thread isn’t going to go the way you anticipate it will… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/163 "2017-09-25T19:12:50Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > So you were bullshitting about answering questions posed to you in this thread then? > > By the way, I predict that new thread isn’t going to go the way you anticipate it will… Oh sure it will. It will give him attention, and he can fap away. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/164 "2017-09-25T19:16:33Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > From what I’ve gathered (and I’m more than happy to be wrong, the majority of it comes from a single book detailing the history of “Motherfucker”), black culture is defined by the mother. She’s the pinnacle of the family unit, and disrespecting her is, simply, fighting words. Calling out their mothers was far more likely to get an overwhelmingly negative response than simply going with “assholes”, “jackasses”, or “fucking fukfuks”. Indeed, those mothers raised sons that are not only successful, but also have conscience and empathy. With all their millions they just could shrug off this case, but they are in fact risking their careers for others who are in weaker positions. That’s damn respectful and they did better job than mothers of… well, I wont’s say as my mother would disapprove it ;). ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/165 "2017-09-25T19:37:31Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Trump has miscalculated badly This assumes the dufus actually calculates. As opposed to just barfing up whatever insanity crosses his mind. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/166 "2017-09-25T19:54:52Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Oh, LOTS of Trumpists are saying they’ll boycott. > > You show me 10,000 people who say they’ll stop watching over this, and I’ll show you 9,999 liars. > This year the NFL will make over $13 billion in revenue, by far the most of any professional sports organization in the world. They’ll do it again next year, and the year after, and the year after, and the year after, and in fact the numbers will go up. They will continue being ludicrously successful **even if every single player on every team peacefully protests the anthem**. Bolding mine. Once again with more fervor this time; they are not protesting the anthem.:mad: That’s the Faux/Rush/Hannity attempt to distract the base (shrubs). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/167 "2017-09-25T19:58:59Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > At this point, just stop playing the national anthem before the games. I don’t go to other events like a concert and expect to hear it. Problem solved. That works for me. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/168 "2017-09-25T20:03:14Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Still working on understanding the cognitive dissonance it takes to support Confederate statues while decrying Colin Kapernick… Showing concern, within the law, and within the framework of freedom of speech and freedom of expression – as described in the First Amendment – not given or granted or allowed by some overlord but merely described – is bad. Glorifying and praising a murderous civil war grounded in high treason, and goose stepping and sieg heiling to defend statues which glorify that treason is OK though. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/169 "2017-09-25T20:06:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Says you. I’m a veteran and I disagree. Such protests are in keeping with the highest traditions of American patriotism. People called abolitionists un-American, but they were wrong. Abolitionism was very patriotic, as was the Civil Rights movement, and many more instances that were opposed and criticized by most Americans at the time. Most people in Alabama at the time thought the bus boycotts were inappropriate. They were wrong, and Trump is wrong here, and so are you. And I’m a vet… you ALL know where I stand. or kneel. oh, and scumbag trump has no right to scold anyone about patriotism, that Putin’s dick eating traitor motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/170 "2017-09-25T20:45:35Z")
As admirable as being willing to die for one’s country may be, veteran status does not convey upon one the title of super citizen, whose opinions are to be regarded as more valuable. Some vets may agree with the protests, some may find them abhorrent- it’s irrelevant. In the end, it comes down to rights and there is a right to peacefully protest. I realize the NFL _could_ insist on North Korean type conformity, but it would be a huge mistake for them so to do. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/171 "2017-09-25T20:49:53Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Who got in the Whitehouse? Who did not? > > Crazy like a fox… I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating. Getting elected President is the _beginning_, not the end. It isn’t like winning the Super Bowl or something. Once you’re President, you’re supposed to _do_ stuff. That’s the point. To effect change. To enact policy. Not act like that drunk uncle who came to the party and shit in the punch bowl while wearing a lampshade on his head, and groped Aunt Clara, then declared himself the best uncle ever, and then passed out on the front lawn. Crazy alright, but more like a fox that ate loco weed, and ran headfirst into a tree too many times. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/172 "2017-09-25T20:57:55Z")
According to [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/24/were-not-going-to-play-politics-steelers-mike-tomlin-says-team-wont-take-the-field-for-anthem/?utm_term=.83ee3e07f512), kneeling, sitting, or not being on the field during the playing of the National Anthem is against league’s game operations manual: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/173 "2017-09-25T21:01:42Z")
Lot’s of “should’s” and “may’s” in that, Okrah. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/174 "2017-09-25T21:02:12Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > According to [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/24/were-not-going-to-play-politics-steelers-mike-tomlin-says-team-wont-take-the-field-for-anthem/?utm_term=.83ee3e07f512), kneeling, sitting, or not being on the field during the playing of the National Anthem is against league’s game operations manual: > > “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. > > “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. > > Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.” The key word being “may,” of course. > **[No discipline for anthem-skipping teams as NFL fires back at Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/25/no-discipline-for-anthem-skipping-teams-as-nfl-fires-back-at-trump/)** > > "There will be no discipline handed down this week,” league spokesman Joe Lockhart says. > [@](#): > > The NFL will not discipline those teams and players who refused to be on the field for the playing of the national anthem before games Sunday, league spokesman Joe Lockhart said Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/175 "2017-09-25T21:04:26Z")
until around 2009 teams were not on the field for the anthem. What changed was the pentagon started paying teams to “salute the troops” Of course the pentagon kept the payments quiet until someone dug that info up. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/176 "2017-09-25T21:04:42Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > The key word being “may,” of course. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/25/no-discipline-for-anthem-skipping-teams-as-nfl-fires-back-at-trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/25/no-discipline-for-anthem-skipping-teams-as-nfl-fires-back-at-trump) There were people in this thread claiming that since it wasn’t in any negotiated union agreements, the NFL couldn’t punish players for it. This shows that they can. Or “may” if you prefer. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/177 "2017-09-25T21:05:59Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > According to [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/24/were-not-going-to-play-politics-steelers-mike-tomlin-says-team-wont-take-the-field-for-anthem/?utm_term=.83ee3e07f512), kneeling, sitting, or not being on the field during the playing of the National Anthem is against league’s game operations manual: > > “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. > > “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. > > Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.” So fucking what? They had the balls to risk punishment. Something you don’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/178 "2017-09-25T21:08:14Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > [Both Richard Childress and \ Richard Petty come down hard against the protests, threaten firing any NASCAR employees who do so.](https://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2017/9/24/16358654/nascar-team-owners-richard-petty-richard-childress-stand-national-anthem-president-donald-trump) Not all NASCAR stars are supporting Trump/condemning the NFL protests: > [@](#): > > Dale Earnhardt Jr. ✔ @DaleJr > All Americans R granted rights 2 peaceful protests > Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable-JFK > 7:54 AM - Sep 25, 2017 He was quoting John F. Kennedy there, of course. > **[Dale Earnhardt Jr. tweets support of NFL protests during national anthem](https://abcnews.go.com/US/dale-earnhardt-jr-tweets-support-nfl-protests-national/story?id=50074434)** > > The NASCAR driver said all Americans have the rights to "peaceful protests." ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/179 "2017-09-25T21:10:27Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > You can argue that, but not successfully. Confederate statues are appropriate in museums as historic artifacts, but not in public squares as people that should be honored and emulated. Do I expect to see statues of Hitler in public parks in Germany? No. Would I expect to see them in German history museums? Sure. Just a couple weeks ago I was in Ford’s Theater in Washington. One exhibit was a life size statue of Booth. Perfectly appropriate in a museum. In a public park, not so much. Good point! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216/180 "2017-09-25T21:13:59Z")
John Kelly isn’t too happy now… > **[John Kelly is not pleased with Trump's NFL culture war, but 'appalled' by...](https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/politics/donald-trump-john-kelly-nfl/index.html)** > > White House chief of staff John Kelly was not pleased with the fight that erupted over the weekend between President Donald Trump and National Football League players who protest by kneeling during the national anthem, two administration officials... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-magically-turns-nfl-games-into-anti-trump-rallies/797216.md?page=10)