# Trump may be more popular than you think **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961 "2017-02-04T03:34:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/21 "2017-02-04T21:34:47Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Winning the popular vote was proven to be pretty much worthless imo. > > I think these polls really are all but worthless. Add a small % of possible shy Trump supporters to the irrelevance of the popular vote and you have a very dubious narrative indeed. Only 3 months ago poll driven narratives were shown to be not only irrelevant but possibly even detrimental to Clinton’s political campaign. Yet barely a few weeks into Trump’s Presidency and these polls are being cited and tweeted by many of the same folk they embarrassed very recently. > > If folk want to delve deep down into Trump’s electoral prospects a way of obtaining his approval rate among working class whites in a dozen battleground states is probably the more accurate way to go. His approval rate among Latino females in California is irrelevant. In fact if you add this Latino female sub group into the polls then you are probably obtaining a very misleading Trump approval rating indeed. Ah, you’re arguing irrelevance rather than inaccuracy. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/22 "2017-02-04T22:54:22Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So true. Why, the right wing has been politely and respectfully talking about grabbing women by the pussy, calling Mexicans rapists, incesssantly sneering at coastal elites in bubbles, calling Atlanta a disaster area because of all its black folk, threatening to sic the feds on Chicago if it doesn’t stop opposing Trump, making up massacres, calling the press the opposition party, and what do they get in return for their politeness and respect? NASTY WOMEN! > > I’m so with you on this. Maybe this election, but when Obama got elected the right didn’t do anything like burn him in effigy, pretend that he was going to institute martial law, or question whether he was a citizen. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/23 "2017-02-04T23:02:20Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Winning the popular vote was proven to be pretty much worthless imo. Well whoopty doo for you. I was responding to the OP that talked about Trump’s popularity and claimed the pollsters are fucking up “again”. National polling isn’t worthless on those subjects. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/24 "2017-02-04T23:30:08Z")
Then I guess that would mean there is a small but significant percent of Trump supporters that DO know shame. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/25 "2017-02-05T01:42:17Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Ah, you’re arguing irrelevance rather than inaccuracy. Carry on. No, I quite blatantly argued both. My post is easily read in black & white. You simply interpreted from my post what you wished to interpret. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/26 "2017-02-05T01:48:36Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well whoopty doo for you. I was responding to the OP that talked about Trump’s popularity and claimed the pollsters are fucking up “again”. National polling isn’t worthless on those subjects. Yes, and Trump’s popularity among large swathes of the American populace is not an issue. It is worthless what Trump’s popularity is among San Diegans. The pollsters are fucking up once again. Pollsters would be little better polling what Germans think of Trump as they would be polling Californians. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Niply\_Elder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@The\_Niply\_Elder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Niply_Elder)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/27 "2017-02-05T02:00:43Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Yes, and Trump’s popularity among large swathes of the American populace is not an issue. It is worthless what Trump’s popularity is among San Diegans. The pollsters are fucking up once again. Pollsters would be little better polling what Germans think of Trump as they would be polling Californians. What nonsense. California being the #1 economic engine of America means Trump needs to pay attention to the voters there too. So far he’s been a complete nincompoop. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/28 "2017-02-05T02:10:15Z")
Yeah “Once the element of anonymity is added” Trump is able to vote for himself ! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/29 "2017-02-05T03:19:07Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Yes, and Trump’s popularity among large swathes of the American populace is not an issue. It is worthless what Trump’s popularity is among San Diegans. The pollsters are fucking up once again. Pollsters would be little better polling what Germans think of Trump as they would be polling Californians. So fucking what? Why are you even addressing me? I didn’t argue how important German San Diegans’ opinions matter. Why don’t you tell the OP how meaningless Trump’s popularity is? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/30 "2017-02-05T04:07:50Z")
> [@The\_Niply\_Elder](#): > > What nonsense. California being the #1 economic engine of America means Trump needs to pay attention to the voters there too. So far he’s been a complete nincompoop. Hell, he goes well beyond not caring what Californians think; he’s hell bent on hurting California. In part, because of sanctuary cities, but mostly because we didn’t vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/31 "2017-02-05T12:16:09Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So true. Why, the right wing has been politely and respectfully talking about grabbing women by the pussy, calling Mexicans rapists, incesssantly sneering at coastal elites in bubbles, calling Atlanta a disaster area because of all its black folk, threatening to sic the feds on Chicago if it doesn’t stop opposing Trump, making up massacres, calling the press the opposition party, and what do they get in return for their politeness and respect? NASTY WOMEN! But you don’t see that response from those who voted for him, do you? It’s a nice inversion: the Democrat leaders talk nice and their supporters are arseholes; Trump talks trash and his supporters keep quiet. And the press has indeed been pretty much Trump’s enemy. And those coastal elites have sneered at those who voted for him. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/32 "2017-02-05T13:35:54Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > But you don’t see that response from those who voted for him, do you? It’s a nice inversion: the Democrat leaders talk nice and their supporters are arseholes; Trump talks trash and his supporters keep quiet. Except that’s hardly true; his supporters are gloating sadists. > [@Quartz](#): > > And the press has indeed been pretty much Trump’s enemy. And those coastal elites have sneered at those who voted for him. Pretty much the entire world sneers at them, because they\* deserve\* to be sneered at. And to be hated. And the press leaned over backwards to downplay how bad he was and get him elected. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/33 "2017-02-05T13:56:08Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Trump talks trash and his supporters keep quiet. I see that you have posted to this message board, and that must be a nice trick to have posted without having been online at all since the elections. Well done! ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/34 "2017-02-05T17:05:32Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > But you don’t see that response from those who voted for him, do you? It’s a nice inversion: the Democrat leaders talk nice and their supporters are arseholes; Trump talks trash and his supporters keep quiet. > > And the press has indeed been pretty much Trump’s enemy. And those coastal elites have sneered at those who voted for him. Quartz, seriously, this is literally delusional. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/35 "2017-02-05T17:15:00Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I must admit it did seem unlikely that having voted Trump in people suddenly changed their minds when he began doing exactly what he said he’d do. Trump doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing, because he doesn’t know shit about governance. He clearly didn’t learn about that in school–probably because he was too busy kissing himself in the mirror and sucking the dicks of his Russian classmates. Instead, he’s surrounded himself with craven, sycophantic opportunists (and I would include his own children in that category) who will screw the American people at the drop of a dime–either to cash in big bucks or for their own twisted ideological ends. Trump is so mentally lazy that he basically just echos the last person he’s heard, so all these opportunists are in a clusterfuck to get into that position. If Trump has any popularity now it’s among two types: people who don’t understand what’s really going on, and who still fall for his bullshit PR campaign, or reactionary nationalist who just want to make America white again. Even a lot of Republicans secretly don’t like him–they just put up with him to get what they want. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/36 "2017-02-05T17:41:33Z")
Some individual states were off a bit but for the most part the polls were accurate (certainly on a national level). Out of 125 million votes cast, 80,000 in three states swung the election. My sense just from judging from the social media around me is many Trump voters have buyers remorse already. A few outright admit it. Others, and I admit this is me being arm chair psychologist, seem to know deep down they voted for a terrible person but he was their guy and to admit it admits making a mistake so they cling to it with both hands and scream out loud how great he is (it was similar to how they latched on to Palin in 2008). And of course there is about the 30% or so who really do like him because he won’t hurt them. He hasn’t and won’t help them either but he hasn’t hurt them and their team won and that’s all that matters. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/37 "2017-02-05T17:44:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Pretty much the entire world sneers at them, because they\* deserve\* to be sneered at. And to be hated. And another case in point. > [@](#): > > And the press leaned over backwards to downplay how bad he was and get him elected. Not round here they didn’t. > [@Ludovic](#): > > I see that you have posted to this message board, and that must be a nice trick to have posted without having been online at all since the elections. Well done! Well, I’m not a Trump supporter. (Hint: I’m not American.) That you label me such and treat me accordingly is another case in point. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/38 "2017-02-05T17:46:46Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I must admit it did seem unlikely that having voted Trump in people suddenly changed their minds when he began doing exactly what he said he’d do. Except, as you know, lots of people voted for Trump to keep the presidency out of the hands of Hillary and the Democrats. So they chewed off their own leg to escape the trap. That doesn’t mean they approve of Trump, or like what he does, or think he’s a decent human being, or think he’s trustworthy, or think he’ll enact policies to benefit them rather than the 1%. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/39 "2017-02-05T18:13:38Z")
Not to mention all the people who voted for Trump who DIDN’T think he was going to do all the things he said he’d do. What was that phrase? They took him seriously but not literally. So no, lots of people who voted for him didn’t think he was actually going to build a wall on the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it. Lots of people didn’t think he was going to repeal the ACA. Lots of people didn’t think he was going to start a war with Iran. They just thought he said those things to seem tough and signal that he was going to have the right attitude towards Mexico, or health insurance, or the Middle East. They thought it was all signalling and pillow talk and hyperbole. Like, you know, Trump is famous for. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961/40 "2017-02-05T23:58:15Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And another case in point. Amazingly enough, people who endanger the world tend to attract a lot of resentment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-more-popular-than-you-think/778961.md?page=3)