# Trump may be near irreversible collapse. Is multi-candidate free for all near? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 26, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-near-irreversible-collapse-is-multi-candidate-free-for-all-near/758408 "2016-06-26T15:06:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-near-irreversible-collapse-is-multi-candidate-free-for-all-near/758408/161 "2016-07-04T23:16:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Dukakis gave new meaning to the word “tanked.” Good one 😃 ---
**Author:** ![escaped](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@escaped](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/escaped)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-near-irreversible-collapse-is-multi-candidate-free-for-all-near/758408/162 "2016-07-05T22:09:47Z")
I like too see both trump and Hilary lose ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-near-irreversible-collapse-is-multi-candidate-free-for-all-near/758408/163 "2016-07-05T22:51:23Z")
But, given that only one \*will \*lose, which one would you rather that be, and why? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-near-irreversible-collapse-is-multi-candidate-free-for-all-near/758408/164 "2016-07-05T23:23:01Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Yeah my brain fart it wasn’t Bush v Kerry it was the older Bush v Dukakis per 538 (linking [here](http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/17/us/poll-shows-dukakis-leads-bush-many-reagan-backers-shift-sides.html?pagewanted=all)). It widened further after the convention. End of July few would have said that there was any reasonable chance of a Bush victory. > > Dukakis gave new meaning to the word “tanked.” The 1988 election might have been about the time when the media earned the moniker “the liberal media” from the right wing press. And there’s some basis for that in the sense that Dukakis’ lead was arguably the product of media punditry, asserting that it was the Democrats’ time to retake the White House and that a white do-gooder from the Northeast was the guy to bring it into effect. That same media also seriously underestimated the tenacity that George H W Bush had in him and the ruthlessness with which he could campaign. Once Atwater gave Herbert Walker a pair of balls and once he stripped the bark off of Mike in the Tank…the race changed. And Dukakis collapsed lightning fast. I don’t see those dynamics at play here. The worst threat that Clinton faced was doubt coming from within her own party, and a civil war. Bernie will still probably inflict some ant and mosquito bites at the convention, but I think the risk of an all-out fracas is over. Clinton can finally begin a full frontal assault on Trump. ---
**Author:** ![escaped](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@escaped](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/escaped)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-near-irreversible-collapse-is-multi-candidate-free-for-all-near/758408/165 "2016-07-05T23:50:21Z")
gary Johnson get s the gop nomination that’s what I like too see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-may-be-near-irreversible-collapse-is-multi-candidate-free-for-all-near/758408.md?page=8)