# Trump Might Have Called for the Termination of the Constitution **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 3, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990 "2022-12-03T23:31:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/61 "2022-12-04T15:20:08Z")
That noose was a novelty item! And if anyone had been hanged, it would have been an accident, they didn’t mean anyone to get hurt. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/62 "2022-12-04T15:26:13Z")
So what do you think he was saying? Let’s hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/63 "2022-12-04T15:27:01Z")
It was basically a love-in/ picnic, and who doesn’t bring a noose to a picnic? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/64 "2022-12-04T15:27:28Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Nah. He was either being hyperbolic, or joking. He has no sense of humor, or at least not one that isn’t tinged with psychosis. I might buy “hyperbolic” if history hasn’t borne out that he means what he says, however outlandish it might be. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/65 "2022-12-04T15:31:18Z")
His buddy Kanye needs to talk him down. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/66 "2022-12-04T15:34:49Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Sedition, in Spain he would be in jail. Catalan independists have been for less serious offenses. > OK, the USA is not Spain, nor Catalonia. And what is happening in Spain is not good. But declaring the Constitution void is unlawful under tha Constitution, isn’t it? Probably not. There are a few types of things that people can be arrested for saying, but mostly along the lines of explicitly inciting violence. America has a far higher standard protecting speech than most countries do, and it’s a **very** difficult bar to clear in terms of arresting somebody. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/67 "2022-12-04T16:35:45Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > > > What I’m advocating is holding the man’s feet to the fire. Not giving him an opportunity to claim that’s not what he meant (though I’m sure he’d try), but to force him to articulate his thoughts (if any) clearly. I’ve never seen anybody do this. > > Mainly because he’d never talk to someone willing and able to do it. He would storm off like a little baby. Der Gropenfuhrer knows how to avoid having to say anything he does, doesn’t, may or may not mean. Wasn’t that what happened in the 60 Minutes interview he did with Leslie Stahl? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/68 "2022-12-04T16:47:45Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > He’s really manifesting Trump Derangement Syndrome. The whitewing originally used TDS as a slam against libuurrrals. It more accurately describes HIS state of mindlessness. Every accusation is a confession with the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/69 "2022-12-04T17:08:45Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Wasn’t that what happened in the 60 Minutes interview he did with Leslie Stahl? He also admitted that he fired James Comey because of the Russia investigation. Obstruction of justice broadcast on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/70 "2022-12-04T17:19:44Z")
I can state what he said “ A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” and I can state what I think this means “It appears that Trump is calling for the termination of the Constitution”. What I can’t do is state “Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution”. Simply false and an interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/71 "2022-12-04T17:32:09Z")
Lord knows the man who lead an Insurrection 2 years ago needs this faithful parsing of his words so we don’t get them confused with someone who ACTUALLY wants to end Jeffersonian Democracy. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/72 "2022-12-04T17:32:20Z")
Why is anyone bothering splitting hairs over the scumbags latest drivel? He incited an insurrection agains the U.S. government on nationall tv. The only place Trump belongs is in a cell in Guantanamo Bay, never to be heard from again. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/73 "2022-12-04T17:32:33Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Even the title of this thread is an interpretation. That’s fair. In fact, I was pondering this last night and thinking the title should be modified. In the moment, I just wanted to stop the hijack in the Mar-a-Lago thread and created a quick topic. I’ll fix it. Personally, I have no problem with believing Trump would tear up the whole thing and pack it on a wall with ketchup if it meant he could be “president” again. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/74 "2022-12-04T17:35:27Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > What I can’t do is state “Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution”. Simply false and an interpretation. He’s just a dumbass. He probably thinks there is a mention about Twitter in the constitution, and that’s why he want’s to get rid of it. He also thought there where airports during the revolutionary war in what would become the USA. He’s a moron that has no filter. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/75 "2022-12-04T17:40:57Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I can state what he said “ A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” > and I can state what I think this means “It appears that Trump is calling for the termination of the Constitution”. > What I can’t do is state “Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution”. Simply false and an interpretation. Can you come up with anything else it could possibly mean? The absolute best I can manage, and I’m really trying, is ‘Trump calls for the termination of any part of the Constitution that prevents him from being POTUS.’ That’s not IMO a meaningful distinction, even if he is willing to keep the part about not quartering troops in my house. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/76 "2022-12-04T17:42:07Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I can state what he said “ A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution” > and I can state what I think this means “It appears that Trump is calling for the termination of the Constitution”. > What I can’t do is state “Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution”. Simply false and an interpretation. He unequivocally calls for the termination of rules, regulations, and articles found in the Constitution. Please explain how this is different from calling for the termination of the Constitution, which is nothing more than the rules, regulations, and articles found therein. Unless your argument is that Trump’s thought process is sufficiently incoherent that we can’t really conclude anything about what he really means based on what he says (which is an argument not without its merits, but would render this entire discussion meaningless) I really don’t see how your semantic argument is valid, even as a pedantic nitpick. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/77 "2022-12-04T18:06:19Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Unless your argument is that Trump’s thought process is sufficiently incoherent that we can’t really conclude anything about what he really means based on what he says (which is an argument not without its merits, but would render this entire discussion meaningless) I really don’t see how your semantic argument is valid, even as a pedantic nitpick. For me, it’s partly that. But I think his statement could be, and will be, parsed by the right wing as “the election fraud is of such a great magnitude, that it’s worth upending the Constitution.” In other words, the focus of the sentence is on the election fraud, and the bit about rules and articles and the Constitution itself are just there to stress that magnitude. I don’t think he believes in or cares enough about the Constitution to make statements about it. My own interpretation is simpler: “O True Believers, do whatever it takes to get me out of trouble, no matter how extreme. Use your imagination, but nothing’s off limits.” I think that interpretation is just as bad as the one the majority here are going with, but his statements are designed to mean more than just one thing. It’s a con-artist trick: never say anything that you’ll be held to, but tell people what they want to hear. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/78 "2022-12-04T18:06:46Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > He unequivocally calls for the termination of rules, regulations, and articles found in the Constitution. Please explain how this is different from calling for the termination of the Constitution, which is nothing more than the rules, regulations, and articles found therein. Oh, I’m sure he could find some use for the paper it’s written on. He’s OK with keeping that. At least until he flushes. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/79 "2022-12-04T18:11:10Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > He unequivocally calls for the termination of rules, regulations, and articles found in the Constitution. Please explain how this is different from calling for the termination of the Constitution, which is nothing more than the rules, regulations, and articles found therein. Remember this? [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qldbM8ry3rw/maxresdefault.jpg) ](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qldbM8ry3rw/maxresdefault.jpg) The Preamble in one hand and a magic wand in the other. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990/80 "2022-12-04T18:17:09Z")
If we are going to parse it exactly, he just calls for anarchy. That’s all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-might-have-called-for-the-termination-of-the-constitution/975990.md?page=5)