# Trump Mussolini plus Need Talking Points **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 4, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-mussolini-plus-need-talking-points/914283 "2020-07-04T14:56:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-mussolini-plus-need-talking-points/914283/1 "2020-07-04T14:56:15Z")
From the beginning of his run for office Trump reminded me of Mussolini, ranting, making faces, posturing to the crowds, espousing nationalism, etc. The below linked article is from 2017 but is certainly still worth a look. > **[The Scary Parallels Between Trump and Mussolini | History News Network](https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/165404)** > > And between Fascism and Trumpism. I work in an office full of Trumpers and their “But look at the stock market! The economy is booming” reminds me of “At least Mussolini made the trains run on time.” rationalization. We were just having a discussion the other day and one particularly avid Trump fan asked “What has gotten worse since he came into office?” I answered, “Well, there is record unemployment. The stock market took a huge hit. The economy isn’t so hot”. He replied that its all because of Covid 19 and the whole virus thing is a liberal hoax aimed at getting Trump out. His stance is to open everything and only the strong survive. Also, all those confederate statues are part of our history should should be left alone. Pro-law enforcement but unable to see the problem with defiance of congressional subpoenas. Pro-military but dismisses the respected generals who criticize Trump. Every former administration official who speaks ill of Trump is a political hack. In other words, a stereotypical Trumper I could use some concise points to counter his “Everything is better argument” (outside covid). Stats would be helpful. I know its pointless but to shut him up for a few minutes would be great. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-mussolini-plus-need-talking-points/914283/2 "2020-07-04T17:07:42Z")
If covid-19 was a hoax then their points of opening all and let the strong survive is contradictory nonsense. Confederate statues are actually the denial of history with racism added when the context of when most of the statues came up is looked at. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WClgR6Q0aPE/maxresdefault.jpg "This timeline shows confederate monuments are about racial conflict") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WClgR6Q0aPE) Opening everything will depend on all people. Specially parents, students and even teachers that are conservatives need to be on the same page regarding the use of masks, massive testing, and contact tracing. Ask them if they are willing to do so for the economy then. As for Trump being pro-military: > **[Trump Is Now 'America's No. 1 Traitor,' Says Veterans Group](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/veterans-group-donald-trump-benedict-arnold_n_5f003c3bc5b612083c5c90fa?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmVkZGl0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMI3A8RUgPT4SCLU6MitPu0tY7q_KccIL4LqLEK3oCIg64ndWVivVolWoU426jJpwWIUa7MCZpVk63Ty7iGdqL0igiQDDa9IoezHu8Fk4SNaWgAmpeoaNQ73ID66iPMOAV9TvKgHQEJEsFXCkBYKOQOMH-oj15ZFgc5Mwg9Bhjiz&test_ad=taboola_iframe_desktop_news)** > > "Benedict Arnold can step aside," VoteVets says in its latest anti-Trump attack ad. Yep, those are vets, not generals. And the nickname here should be Mango Mussolini. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-mussolini-plus-need-talking-points/914283/3 "2020-07-05T15:54:18Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > I could use some concise points to counter his “Everything is better argument” (outside covid). Stats would be helpful. I know its pointless but to shut him up for a few minutes would be great. Facts won’t shut up the cultists. They don’t follow Trump because of facts, but because he very deliberately mirrors their desire for entitlement and fantasy aggrievement, as well as their mental laziness. It’s make-believe: they make themselves believe anything he says. You’re probably better off just mocking him behind his back.