# Trump named in whistleblower complaint **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 19, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505 "2019-09-19T16:54:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/21 "2019-09-19T20:38:51Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Even the Republicans can’t sweep this away, right? > > Right? Sweep what away? We have already established that the President is above the law. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/22 "2019-09-19T20:52:21Z")
[This NPR article](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/19/762311761/trump-calls-intel-whistle-blower-complaint-fake-news-dems-demand-answers) includes letters from the IGIC to the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (that Rep. Adam Schiff chairs) and from Schiff to the Director of National Intelligence. Good reading - both in the lines themselves and between them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/23 "2019-09-19T20:56:54Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Even the Republicans can’t sweep this away, right? > > Right? Of course not. They will use a sharpie. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/24 "2019-09-19T21:14:45Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The most common speculation I keep hearing is that Trump promised to lift Russian sanctions in exchange for Putin’s help to win election in 2020. Hearing from whom? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/25 "2019-09-19T21:22:41Z")
TPM has been up to date on this issue: [Intel Watchdog Blocked From Helping Tipster - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/new-docs-intel-ig-complained-that-doj-dni-blocked-help-to-trump-whistleblower) [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/potential-timeline-of-events](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/potential-timeline-of-events) [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime/working-notes-2](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime/working-notes-2) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/26 "2019-09-19T21:43:14Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Hearing from whom? The various talking heads on the tee vee speculating based on what is already known; e.g., the dates of Trump’s calls to foreign leaders, what was stated by the “administration” to be the topics of those conversations (Siberian wildfires? Really?), the timing of the departure of former DNI Dan Coats, Trump’s stated willingness to accept foreign subversion of the 2020 election, etc. All presented with stout disclaimers, of course. But it seems to be the most common theme of where the “what is known” evidence leads. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/27 "2019-09-19T21:59:37Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > “It’s all Hilary’s fault somehow.” “Everyone who tells you anything odd is going on is lying.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/28 "2019-09-20T02:04:37Z")
Lol, RudyG just admitted on CNN that he asked the President of Ukraine to do this: > ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/29 "2019-09-20T02:44:03Z")
As a practical matter there must be tapes. I would assume the President’s important calls are taped. If the President dodges that one, surely the Ukrainians record calls from the American president. Then on top of that is the possibility some third party is tapping the lines. Is my reasoning reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/30 "2019-09-20T06:27:10Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > As a practical matter there must be tapes. I would assume the President’s important calls are taped. If the President dodges that one, surely the Ukrainians record calls from the American president. Then on top of that is the possibility some third party is tapping the lines. > > Is my reasoning reasonable? Yep, it is a solid bet that the intelligence services/administration for the foreign leader will have tapes of the conversation. Ergo, they have influence over Trump if he said anything questionable. Blackmail is so easy to win… ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/31 "2019-09-20T12:35:51Z")
Trump asks if anyone is dumb enough to believe that he would do something like is being alleged. The real question is does anyone believe that HE is dumb enough to have done it. Its a subtle difference but the first option implies that “you” are dumb if you believe it. I think we all know what the answer to the second question is. “I would only do what is right anyway, and only do good for the USA!” seems like a tacit admission to me and, other than “Another fake news story”, he doesn’t deny it. Hmmm. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/32 "2019-09-20T12:48:14Z")
Do you think the information that Trump attempted to collude with the Ukrainians to interfere in the 2020 election will give any pause to the folks claiming that Trump attempting to collude with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election was ridiculous? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/33 "2019-09-20T12:52:25Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do you think the information that Trump attempted to collude with the Ukrainians to interfere in the 2020 election will give any pause to the folks claiming that Trump attempting to collude with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election was ridiculous? If only. Their mentality has always been “He didn’t do it. But if he did, that doesn’t matter. Because reasons.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/34 "2019-09-20T12:55:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Lol, RudyG just admitted on CNN that he asked the President of Ukraine to do this: > > [https://twitter.com/axios/status/1174855025048375296?s=09](https://twitter.com/axios/status/1174855025048375296?s=09) [Here’s the whole 10 minute clip from CNN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6EHQKL2wdo). Giuliani lies several times on camera, admits it several times, and just generally has a meltdown. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/35 "2019-09-20T12:56:47Z")
I’ve had cleaner breakups with women than what RudyG & Cuomo had there. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/36 "2019-09-20T22:39:05Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do you think the information that Trump attempted to collude with the Ukrainians to interfere in the 2020 election will give any pause to the folks claiming that Trump attempting to collude with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election was ridiculous? A multiple hundred page report listing the specific collusions in great detail wasn’t enough. Why would this new “fake news” be enough? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/37 "2019-09-21T19:31:58Z")
Donald Trump, Jr. publicly publishing the very e-mails in which the collusion took place wasn’t enough. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/38 "2019-09-21T19:59:36Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do you think the information that Trump attempted to collude with the Ukrainians to interfere in the 2020 election will give any pause to the folks claiming that Trump attempting to collude with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election was ridiculous? Trump said in an interview that he would take the help of foreign nations in getting dirt on opponents. And yet, some people believe - without pause - that he is incapable of such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/39 "2019-09-21T20:01:49Z")
I have been against impeachment for political reasons, but I don’t see how it can be avoided now. He has to be impeached, and then if the Senate does not remove him they can await the judgment of history. I don’t think at this point it would really torpedo Democrats’ chances in the election, because anyone who was inclined to vote against Trump cannot possibly want to punish Democrats for impeaching under these circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-named-in-whistleblower-complaint/840505/40 "2019-09-21T20:50:45Z")
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