# Trump ordered to pay NYT $392,638 in court costs **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 13, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060 "2024-01-13T23:31:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/1 "2024-01-13T23:31:58Z")
I hadn’t heard about this and couldn’t find anything here. After the NYT printed its exposé on Trump’s low taxes payments, with material from his niece, Mary, Trump sued the NYT and Mary Trump. Court has dismissed the action on 1st amendment grounds, without a trial. And, has ordered Trump to pay close to $400,000 in court costs to the NYT. > **[Donald Trump ordered to pay NY Times nearly $400,000 in legal costs](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67964672)** > > The expenses are for a failed lawsuit the former president filed against the paper and its reporters. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/2 "2024-01-14T00:02:26Z")
Now if there were only some way to get TFG to pay his own legal fees… ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/3 "2024-01-14T00:13:14Z")
I had heard about this, but the source I saw was not as reputable as the BBC. Thanks for digging up a solid cite. As for what he’ll do, he’ll likely do what he has done so often before: fire up Fleece-a-Rube dot com. (And a “well done!” to whoever coined that name.) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/4 "2024-01-14T00:32:45Z")
i expect Trump’s lawyers will file an appeal, but will he be required to post a bond for the full amount? He had to do that for the $5.5 million judgment against him in the Carroll case. Hmmmmmmm… and if Judge Engoron finds against him for, oh, $300 million or so, would he have to put up that amount as a cash bond in order to appeal? Somehow I doubt that Fleece-a-Rube dot com could come up with that much moolah. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/5 "2024-01-14T00:39:50Z")
$300M is about $2.00 per rube. Seems doable. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/6 "2024-01-14T00:53:43Z")
I dunno man, at the risk of a thread hijack I’d put it closer to $4 or $5 per. I can’t imagine there’s any rubes sending him money that didn’t vote for him in 2020, and still sticking with him after the last 24 months of nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/7 "2024-01-14T03:04:28Z")
It figures a guy with a name like yours would get all analytical on us. Care to bet? 😁 Seriously though, I believe you’re on the right track. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/8 "2024-01-14T11:25:48Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Now if there were only some way to get TFG to pay his own legal fees… …and his taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/9 "2024-01-14T21:37:07Z")
New York’s new anti-SLAAP law received a nod from the Times: “Today’s decision shows that the state’s newly amended anti-SLAPP statute can be a powerful force for protecting press freedom. The court has sent a message to those who want to misuse the judicial system to try to silence journalists.” Trump’s case against his niece, Mary Trump, has been allowed to proceed. [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/media/donald-trump-new-york-times-legal-fees/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/media/donald-trump-new-york-times-legal-fees/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/10 "2024-01-14T21:40:48Z")
From the article: > The revised anti-SLAPP law was specifically designed to apply to lawsuits like this one,” Judge Reed wrote. “In fact, among other reasons, **plaintiffs’ history of litigation – that some observers have described as abusive and frivolous – inspired the expansion of the law.”** “Some observers have described” Guess that’s the judicial equivalent to “A lot of people are saying…” 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/11 "2024-01-14T21:43:52Z")
I hope this is just the beginning trickle of water that is signaling a major breech of the dam. Or choose your own metaphor. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/12 "2024-01-14T21:47:06Z")
A flushing of the toilet. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/13 "2024-01-14T21:48:10Z")
A hosing down of the poop deck. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/14 "2024-01-14T21:48:32Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > $300M is about $2.00 per rube. Seems doable. I believe you’re greatly overestimating the number of extant rubes. I believe (and certainly dearly hope) that the vast majority of potential Trump voters are in the "hold your nose and vote for the ‘R’ " category rather than the sorts of sycophants who commit insurrections for their hero or send him money. Like the image in your right-hand rear-view mirror, I’m pretty sure that the flock of rubes ready to be fleeced is much smaller than it may appear. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/15 "2024-01-15T20:36:52Z")
Why doesn’t Jared just use the Saudi money to buy up trump properties? Is there a law against paying twice what they’re worth? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-ordered-to-pay-nyt-392-638-in-court-costs/996060/16 "2024-01-16T06:32:56Z")
I don’t think Trump is worth billions to the Saudis.[1] By way of comparison, the Saudis spent $615,000 in Trump Hotels from 2017-2020. China spent $5.6 million. Paying for $812 million to $2.2 billion of overvaluation would bust the bribery budget and invite a level of scrutiny that the Saudi clan doesn’t want. > **[Which country paid Trump the biggest bribes? - Kevin Drum](https://jabberwocking.com/which-country-paid-trump-the-biggest-bribes/)** > > According to Democrats on the House Oversight Committee, foreign governments trying to curry favor with Donald Trump spent nearly $8 million in stays at Trump's hotels during his presidency. As a public service, I have made a chart out of the top ten... [1] Notwithstanding them giving Jared $2 billion to manage. Note that Jared wouldn’t want to bail out Trump either: a laughably bad investment would hurt future prospects with middle eastern princelings.