# tRump pardons Stone **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2020, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991 "2020-07-11T01:47:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/62 "2020-07-12T17:20:23Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > I’ll bet you have to go to a specialty butcher for those. > > Costco Only if you’re feeding the entire neighborhood. ---
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/63 "2020-07-12T17:23:43Z")
Oh, yeah. Sad to admit, I am one of them. I know it is juvenile and counterproductive, and is the intelletual equivalet of shooting fish in a barrel. But it helps me blow off steam. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/64 "2020-07-12T17:25:09Z")
> [@tRump pardons Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/51): > > [David Frum in the Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/roger-stone/614068/): Stone is the central figure in the greatest scandals in U.S. history. Ames, Hanssen, the Rosenbergs, Alger Hiss—none of them worked with a foreign intelligence service to help a candidate for president of the United States. Stone did. And now he will receive a commutation of his sentence from the president he served. No more needs to be said. His Don has commuted his sentence and will probably pardon him before leaving office (if pardoned him earlier, Stone couldn’t plead the Vth during the pre-election period). You cool with Trump commuting/pardoning those who committed crimes against the US and worked with foreign intelligence agencies so that he, Trump, could more likely win? It’s not statutory rape, so maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/65 "2020-07-12T17:32:21Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > I’ll bet you have to go to a specialty butcher for those. > > Costco [Just in case anybody thinks he’s kidding.](https://www.costco.com/cadet-12%22-bully-sticks-12-count%2C-2-pack.product.100463211.html) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/66 "2020-07-12T17:36:31Z")
> [@robby](#): > > That’s a good point, but even if Stone is pardoned for this offense, I don’t doubt that he would still invoke the 5th Amendment. I read here in the SDMB that once pardoned, a person may not invoke the 5th about the crime, for s/he has already been found guilty of it. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/67 "2020-07-12T17:57:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I read here in the SDMB that once pardoned, a person may not invoke the 5th about the crime, for s/he has already been found guilty of it. Agreed – for _that_ crime. Were he pardoned for the specific crimes for which he was charged, Stone would not be able to invoke the 5th Amendment for these specific crimes, but what about all the other crimes that he has surely committed for which he has not yet been charged? As I said previously, I’m sure there are plenty of other offenses he has committed for which he would not want to incriminate himself. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/68 "2020-07-12T21:17:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > > Eat a bag of dicks. - > > I’ll bet you have to go to a specialty butcher for those Actually, they are sold at pet supply stores, right on the Main Street of your bucolic town. They are called ‘bully sticks’-smoked bull penises. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/69 "2020-07-12T22:58:52Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > One doesn’t need to be “Constitutional scholar” (however that gets determined) to realize that the Constitution is not necessarily some divine, pristine, pure, holier than God, more perfect than God, absolutely unquestionable, never to be doubted, heavenly housed document. That’s just a myth we tell ourselves, so we can be complacent. Give the guys a break… cooped up with a bunch of slavers for days on end, with no way out except for signatures. Don’t get me wrong, the Constitution definitely is a monument to “how much slavery do we have to keep in order to not be a monarchy”. There was never any possibility of end-running around slavery. It’s not perfect, but it’s a decent job considering who they had to accommodate and persuade. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/70 "2020-07-13T00:05:18Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Were he pardoned for the specific crimes for which he was charged, Stone would not be able to invoke the 5th Amendment for these specific crimes If he gets called to court and lies about it again, we can try him for another crime and put him away for real. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/71 "2020-07-13T01:14:09Z")
I’m pretty sure he isn’t playing. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/72 "2020-07-13T16:48:00Z")
Ohboyohboyohboy… [https://www.axios.com/roger-stone-interview-campaign-trump-37b8e1d9-cd72-47ea-8401-801b99d1ea0f.html](https://www.axios.com/roger-stone-interview-campaign-trump-37b8e1d9-cd72-47ea-8401-801b99d1ea0f.html) > Roger Stone told Axios in a phone interview that he plans to write and speak for President Trump’s re-election now that Stone “won’t die in a squalid hellhole of corona-19 virus.” > > **“I’m asthmatic,”** said Stone, 67. “Sending me to a prison where I could not be socially distanced … would, I think, be a death sentence.” > > **Stone said** he’ll continue to follow one of his “Stone’s Rules”: “I will do anything necessary to elect my candidate, **short of breaking the law.** ” > … > My bold. No need to stop there! Stick with what has worked for you. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/73 "2020-07-13T18:02:54Z")
I disagree with this. I think he’s genuine in his positions, and just happens to be a Trump supporter. He contributes honestly in every thread I’ve seen him in, and seems like a fine poster in non-political threads. I think people who use “tRump” are more trollish than **Tim**. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/74 "2020-07-13T18:37:52Z")
> [@Wallaby](#): > > As an outsider, I have no idea why you allow the president to pardon people at all. The traditional ‘pardons on the way out’ seems ludicrous to most other civilised countries, particularly as it is used for political favours. > > The judiciary should be separate to the political arm - but you already have a compromised supreme court, where the political leanings of the judges make up much of the discussion. There’s lots of things we _should_ do, but it simply boils down to which party controls the Senate, and right now it’s the Republicans. They control who gets appointed to the Supreme Court, and would in no fucking way approve of limiting the power of one of their own. Maybe that’ll change this November, but even if it did, Republicans would stoke major liberalphobia and get the majority back in 2022. Still, our mostly conservative SC hasn’t always toed the red line, [because they’re at least aware of the consequences of letting politics get out of control.](https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21319929/supreme-court-term-liberals-win-conservative-john-roberts-neil-gorsuch-abortion-daca-guns) ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/75 "2020-07-13T21:56:47Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > Marc Rich’s pardon can’t be justified and I wouldn’t try. IIRC, Rich had accepted a plea bargain, had made restitution in exchange for ROR and was out of the country when another judge overturned the plea bargain after the fact. Maybe this doesn’t “justify” Clinton pardoning him but it does give some added perspective. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/76 "2020-07-13T22:07:33Z")
The Senate has no power to limit Presidential pardons. They would have to amend the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/77 "2020-07-13T23:11:28Z")
The remedy for a President who is giving out of control pardons is Impeachment and Conviction. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/78 "2020-07-14T07:37:01Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I disagree with this. I think he’s genuine in his positions, and just happens to be a Trump supporter. He contributes honestly in every thread I’ve seen him in, and seems like a fine poster in non-political threads. > > I think people who use “tRump” are more trollish than **Tim**. Well thank you for that. I never try to be a troll, I just like to express my opinion. Especially in threads where there seems to be a prevailing opinion that EVERYONE thinks a certain way, when I know that there are people with differing views, especially ME. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. I just like to remind people that whatever you think, other opinions are also valid. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/79 "2020-07-14T11:06:20Z")
Sure! I think accusations of trollery are often overblown here. Anyway, back to the subject of this thread, Stone is a despicable racist: > **[Is This Roger Stone and Proud Boys Flashing a White Power Symbol?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/)** > > According to the Anti-Defamation League, white nationalists started to appropriate the common "OK" hand gesture in 2017. There he is, hanging out with the explicitly white supremacist Proud Boys flashing a white power symbol. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/80 "2020-07-14T21:35:09Z")
According to Cal Thomas today; Stone is a changed person. He’s found god. One of many links - [Cal Thomas: A higher power than politics](https://journalstar.com/opinion/columnists/cal-thomas-a-higher-power-than-politics/article_2e304066-1640-5b79-8cbb-b3768da83679.html) Good enough for me! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991/81 "2020-07-16T03:27:02Z")
Sam\_Stone isn’t truly a conservative anymore; at least it appears to me that he has abandoned most of his principles to own the libs. Sam is a Trump supporter through and through. All it took to buy Sam’s loyalty was 200 appeals court judges that probably won’t uphold conservative principles anyway when put to the test. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pardons-stone/914991.md?page=5)