# Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959 "2016-03-14T09:23:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/181 "2016-03-20T04:34:57Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > The most reliable sign I’ve seen of someone being a right-wing nutjob is them claiming they’re a “centrist” or “sick of both sides” or similar. > > I call it the “Both Sides Are Terrible, Therefore Vote Republican” fallacy, which makes up for comprehensibility what it lacks in brevity or use of Latin: It’s the apparent idea that both sides are equally corrupt, based on someone swallowing right-wing talking points whole while being angry at the GOP establishment, so therefore people should vote straight-ticket Republican. The logical contradiction is addressed by… Hey, look over there! Whitewater! Benghazi! Damnit man, good work you blew my cover:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/182 "2016-03-20T05:27:57Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > Damnit man, good work you blew my cover:rolleyes: Ok, enlighten us. Both parties candidates will be equally as bad for our nation because… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/183 "2016-03-20T05:42:18Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > OK thanks > > did not know blocking off a highway with private vehicles was considered valid political protest. Ignorance can be fought. If you’re willing to learn. I asked you what outrage there should be. Feel free to read up on the concept of [civil disobedience](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience) and then get back to me with your answer. . ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/184 "2016-03-20T07:32:03Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > [Protester sucker punched during Donald Trump rally in ‘physical pain’ after violent Tucson, Ariz., event – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/protestors-block-ariz-road-stop-trump-rally-article-1.2570353) > > where is the outrage? > [@coremelt](#): > > Blocking access to the venue in a non violent way is a valid form of political protest. I’m curious to know if the blocked road led to ANY destinations other than that venue. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/185 "2016-03-20T08:53:03Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Forget the xenophobia, racism, the admitted desire to perform war crimes, now he’s gone too far. He likes his steak cooked “so well done it rocks on the plate” > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/16/what-people-who-ruin-steak-like-donald-trump-have-in-common/?tid=sm\_fb](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/16/what-people-who-ruin-steak-like-donald-trump-have-in-common/?tid=sm_fb) > > That is truly barbaric You’re talking about a man who eats pizza with a knife and fork. Hell, he isn’t even any good at being a New Yorker. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/186 "2016-03-20T17:46:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If the matchup is Trump - Clinton I will vote Clinton. > > And then shower, because I will feel dirty. I’ll be right there in that shower with you, feeling dirty myself. Welcome to the Democratic party, buddy! 😉 Jokes aside, if Hillary ends up capturing the moderate/rational GOP vote, won’t that de-fang entirely the notion that Hillary is a liberal? The standard way of campaigning against Democrats is to identify any quanta of their thought that strays outside conservative orthodoxy, then point and declare melodramatically, “They’re a _liberal!_” (wait for boos and hisses. Case closed!) But if she gets a significant share of the GOP votes (Hillary Republicans), and especially if she acknowledges this as part of her mandate, wouldn’t that qualify her as the most unifying American politician in a generation? Albeit in a way that hardly anyone finds satisfactory, but still… ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/187 "2016-03-20T18:35:30Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You’re talking about a man who eats pizza with a knife and fork. Hell, he isn’t even any good at being a New Yorker. So THATS how he is getting the Southern vote? If he makes shitty salsa he’s got Texas all wrapped up too! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/188 "2016-03-20T19:14:29Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > So THATS how he is getting the Southern vote? > > If he makes shitty salsa he’s got Texas all wrapped up too! The Pace Picante people explained years ago why that will not work… The wagon train cook gives the wrong salsa to the cowboys eating dinner. Cowboy: “This ain’t Pace Picante sauce!” Cookie: “Whats the difference?!?” Cowboy: “Cookie, Pace Picante sauce is made in San Antonio, with fresh vegetables and spices, where people know what Picante sauce is supposed to taste like…” Cowboy [looking at label]: “This is stuff if made in New York City!” All together: “New York City!?!” Cowboy: “Get a rope.” … Cow [to Cookie]: Animal!. 😃 😉 ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/189 "2016-03-20T19:19:13Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The Pace Picante people explained years ago why that will not work… > > 😉 Yeah, I got that bass akwards (though that commercial inspired the thought of salsa and Texas). If he makes a shitty New Yorker, and people in the South don’t generally like New York, then him pissing off New Yorkers makes Southerners like him. So, I guess if he makes shitty salsa and he pisses off the Texans, then maybe he’ll get the California Vote because Californians don’t like Texas. Oh well, half a potential half ass joked ruined by bad execution yet again… ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/190 "2016-03-20T19:55:38Z")
There are questions about Trump’s security people: > [@](#): > > Donald Trump’s campaign blamed an unidentified man for manhandling a protester at a Saturday afternoon rally in Tucson, but POLITICO has learned that the man was in fact part of Trump’s own security detail. > > During the rally, the man introduced himself to Tucson police officers as a member of Trump’s security team during a discussion about the large contingent of protesters at the rally, according to a source who witnessed the exchange in the upper level of the Tucson Convention Center. The source said the man, dressed in a dark pullover embroidered with the logo for “Trump National Doral” resort, also could be seen directing uniformed security personnel inside the convention center, which hosted the rally. [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-security-tucson-221007](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-security-tucson-221007) ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/191 "2016-03-20T20:52:29Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Ignorance can be fought. If you’re willing to learn. > > I asked you what outrage there should be. Feel free to read up on the concept of [civil disobedience](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience) and then get back to me with your answer. > . As a returning veteran i have seen plenty of disobedience from the enforcement side. It was allowed to collect intel and then shut down upon orders. What is your experience? Hmmm I guess I had something to do with protecting American’s rights to protest and practice civil disobedience but when people are getting hurt then I question the outrage whether it be Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, White, Black, Republican, Democrat or third party. You want to support the kind of behavior going on in this United States then go for it. By the way I have to give you props on the attempt to be condescending through your questioning technique. If there were a candidate that I felt deserved my vote then I would proudly give it. Bernie may be the closest but I am suspicious of some of his socialistic views. If people feel that they need to revert to violence in the streets, chaining themselves to cars, blocking highways and punching people out because of a different view then I choose to sit down and watch and ask the question, where is the outrage? Hijacked is a word that come to mind ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/192 "2016-03-20T21:46:09Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > people are getting hurt… > > violence in the streets… > > punching people out… None of this happened in Arizona. There was a peaceful protest by people who were prepared to face the civil consequences of their actions. Some were arrested. The system worked. What outrage is necessary here? > [@](#): > > By the way I have to give you props on the attempt to be condescending through your questioning technique. I seem to be better at condescension than you, sweetcheeks, but keep working at it. damn, should have gone with “peacefully protesting people prepared to pay the piper.” . ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/193 "2016-03-20T21:58:00Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > As a returning veteran i have seen plenty of disobedience from the enforcement side. It was allowed to collect intel and then shut down upon orders. > > What is your experience? Hmmm > > I guess I had something to do with protecting American’s rights to protest and practice civil disobedience but when people are getting hurt then I question the outrage whether it be Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, White, Black, Republican, Democrat or third party. > > You want to support the kind of behavior going on in this United States then go for it. > > By the way I have to give you props on the attempt to be condescending through your questioning technique. > > If there were a candidate that I felt deserved my vote then I would proudly give it. Bernie may be the closest but I am suspicious of some of his socialistic views. > > If people feel that they need to revert to violence in the streets, chaining themselves to cars, blocking highways and punching people out because of a different view then I choose to sit down and watch and ask the question, where is the outrage? > > Hijacked is a word that come to mind New video just in of you writing that post: [![](https://assets.tumblr.com/images/media_violation/copyright_v1_500.png) ](https://assets.tumblr.com/images/media_violation/copyright_v1_500.png) ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/194 "2016-03-20T23:42:34Z")
[quote=“andros, post:192, topic:748959”] None of this happened in Arizona. There was a peaceful protest by people who were prepared to face the civil consequences of their actions. Some were arrested. The system worked. What outrage is necessary here? I seem to be better at condescension than you, sweetcheeks, but keep working at it. I’ll ask again How much experience do you have with civil disobedience? The system worked aye? What was achieved? And what is this system you speak of? Obviously I struck a nerve with you and got in your head if your already reverting to name calling. Maybe some civil disobedience can help Hey! I don’t like the way you said that, I’m gonna protest that! Bwah ha ha I’ll be waiting for your answers but doubt you have any, but you can always revert back to name calling to bolster your ideology. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/195 "2016-03-21T00:18:12Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > I’ll ask again > > How much experience do you have with civil disobedience? Why on earth should I answer your question when you persistently refuse to address mine? And why on earth is your question even a little relevant? But hey, since I’m a good guy: I have no direct experience in being detained, arrested, or imprisoned due to acts of civil disobedience. I have had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing individuals who were arrested and imprisoned for their actions as part of the Civil Rights movement, as well as individuals who were at Wounded Knee. > [@](#): > > The system worked aye? What was achieved? And what is this system you speak of? Do you understand civil disobedience? Seriously, do you? The protesters protested–peacefully; those who acted illegally were arrested–peacefully. They got their message out, which I imagine was their goal. Once more, with feeling: What outrage should there be about this? > [@](#): > > Obviously I struck a nerve with you and got in your head if your already reverting to name calling. Maybe some civil disobedience can help Wait, what? “Sweetcheeks” is name-calling? I’d expect a vet to have a thicker skin. But if it makes you feel better to think you “struck a nerve” and “got in [my] head,” then I’m happy to serve. Golly, you’re an impressive guy and ever so talented. Gosh, you sure got me all worked up and angry! You also have a huge penis! > [@](#): > > I’ll be waiting for your answers but doubt you have any, but you can always revert back to name calling to bolster your ideology. You have no idea what my “ideology” entails, dear heart. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/196 "2016-03-21T01:18:08Z")
> [@andros](#): > > . . . You also have a huge penis! . . . His finger isn’t the only thing he’s missing. ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/197 "2016-03-21T02:20:34Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Why on earth should I answer your question when you persistently refuse to address mine? And why on earth is your question even a little relevant? > \*\*I did address your question completely, even though I have a hard time taking you serious \*\* > You have no idea what my “ideology” entails, dear heart. Try again. \*\*Pretty much do based on your responses. People like me enrage you because we may question you or have a different point of view. You were phishing for conflict is my guess. So you took offense to the video and article I posted, so did I. Here is the U.S “leader of the free world” and we can not even be professional and allow the democratic process to take place without all this chaos. What message is that sending to the rest of the world? Instability and weakness should be the words in your head right now. I wonder how many folks stuck on that highway trying to carry on with their lives would agree with the system you support? Go to the polls and vote, there is your answer\*\* Peace ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/198 "2016-03-21T02:25:35Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > His finger isn’t the only thing he’s missing. And you…don’t make me break out the mom jokes:D ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/199 "2016-03-21T02:26:00Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > \*\*Pretty much do based on your responses. People like me enrage you because we may question you or have a different point of view. You were phishing for conflict is my guess. So you took offense to the video and article I posted, so did I. > > Here is the U.S “leader of the free world” and we can not even be professional and allow the democratic process to take place without all this chaos. What message is that sending to the rest of the world? Instability and weakness should be the words in your head right now. > > I wonder how many folks stuck on that highway trying to carry on with their lives would agree with the system you support? Go to the polls and vote, there is your answer\*\* > > Peace Can you repost in all caps? I don’t think the bold was obnoxious enough ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/200 "2016-03-21T02:39:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > New video just in of you writing that post: > > [Tumblr: Image](http://45.media.tumblr.com/180b8102fcc9ea4ab96a8361f415856f/tumblr_o46bxjtuuA1qzhjh2o1_400.gif) Beer. All over my keyboard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=11)