# Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959 "2016-03-14T09:23:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/221 "2016-03-21T17:23:39Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Under Clinton we had a surplus, and under Obama the deficient has gone down considerably. What makes you think Trump will be successful in managing the budget? Don’t say “because he’s a smart businessman.” I acknowledge he is good at self-promotion, but that’s not a significant part of the President’s job. Your direct taxes (corporate and income tax) will be reduced. Indirect tax( service tax, import duties) will be increased. Focus on job creation- specifically manufacturing. Reducing debt to GDP ratio. Cutting trade deficit (cheaper dollar, end of petro dollar). Cutting welfare for the unworthy. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/222 "2016-03-21T17:29:27Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Your direct taxes (corporate and income tax) will be reduced. > Indirect tax( service tax, import duties) will be increased. > Focus on job creation- specifically manufacturing. > Reducing debt to GDP ratio. > Cutting trade deficit (cheaper dollar, end of petro dollar). > **Cutting welfare for the unworthy.** What constitutes worthy? There’s already severe restrictions and lifetime limits. You’re trusting a return of jobs to a man who’s clothing line is manufactured in China? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/223 "2016-03-21T17:32:24Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Your direct taxes (corporate and income tax) will be reduced. > Indirect tax( service tax, import duties) will be increased. > Focus on job creation- specifically manufacturing. > Reducing debt to GDP ratio. > Cutting trade deficit (cheaper dollar, end of petro dollar). > Cutting welfare for the unworthy. Which one of these is a lie, and which are simply irrationally exuberant promises with no chance of actually happening? Oh, and manufacturing jobs are gone. The ship has sailed on that one. [Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/) > [@](#): > > Here’s the problem: Whether or not those manufacturing jobs could have been saved, they aren’t coming back, at least not most of them. How do we know? Because in recent years, factories have been coming back, but the jobs haven’t. Because of rising wages in China, the need for shorter supply chains and other factors, a small but growing group of companies are shifting production back to the U.S. But the factories they build here are heavily automated, employing a small fraction of the workers they would have a generation ago. > > Look at the chart below: Since the recession ended in 2009, manufacturing output — the value of all the goods that U.S. factories produce, adjusted for inflation — has risen by more than 20 percent, because of a combination of “reshoring” and increased domestic demand. But manufacturing employment is up just 5 percent. And much of that job growth represents a rebound from the recession, not a sustainable trend. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/224 "2016-03-21T17:40:19Z")
It’s all about relative costs guys. Right now, the dollar is strong, petrodollar is alive, there’s not enough import duties, harder visa policies, tax cuts for local manufacturing etc. Once this changes, so will the migration of manufacturing jobs out of the US. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/225 "2016-03-21T17:43:31Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > It’s all about relative costs guys. Right now, the dollar is strong, petrodollar is alive, there’s not enough import duties, harder visa policies, tax cuts for local manufacturing etc. > > Once this changes, so will the migration of manufacturing jobs out of the US. Sorry, we had eight years of tax cuts and fewer regulations, and the debt doubled as the economy tanked. No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/226 "2016-03-21T18:09:49Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Problem is he looks at things from economic viability point of view. Which is why he agrees with climate change but not with man-made global warming . lol . Cite? it is clear that the question she asked was about climate change but Trump decided that keeping the whole crowd ignorant was the best move. > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > either Trump is dishonest here or hasn’t done his homework here. You are right on this point imo. I disagree with Trump on this one. I should have mentioned this point in the longer post. > > China has already been doing very well producing very cheap solar power btw. Well, I can see that you can look at the evidence, so I have to congratulate you here, many conservatives are forgetting that step in this election. Regarding economical things BTW the Climate Change issue is also going to affect world economies and ours the longer we are not doing a concerted effort to control our emissions. > **[Citi report: slowing global warming would save tens of trillions of dollars |...](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/aug/31/citi-report-slowing-global-warming-would-save-tens-of-trillions-of-dollars)** > > Dana Nuccitelli: A report from America’s 3rd-largest bank asks why we’re not transitioning to a low-carbon economy > [@](#): > > \*\*Citibank report: slowing global warming would save tens of trillions of dollars \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/227 "2016-03-21T19:39:19Z")
I find it kind of hard to take seriously the type of yutz who floats shit like … > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > the fear abt racism is unfounded. There is fear mongering going on I think. One or two bad incidents might be there. These stray incidents are also there since immigrants vote democrat. and > [@](#): > > Muslim ban - I oppose. But it’s America’s right. Upto Muslims to abandon Islam if they want to settle in USA if it’s indeed banned. … two of the most incoherent arguments I’ve ever heard. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/228 "2016-03-21T20:28:25Z")
[Sen. Elizabeth Warren calls Trump a “loser” and many worse things.](http://www.salon.com/2016/03/21/elizabeth_warren_stops_being_polite_and_starts_getting_real_lets_be_honest_donald_trump_is_a_loser/) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/229 "2016-03-21T20:31:22Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > This forum is way too left leaning to appreciate what Trump actually stands for. He stands for anti-immigrant nativism, economic protectionism, preserving the kinds of entitlements (SS and Medicare) that benefit middle- and working-class white people, a full-auto aggressive foreign policy, and low taxes on the rich. Have I missed anything? ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/230 "2016-03-21T20:33:31Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I tried explaining in the previous post. > > If there’s one thing that life has taught me, then that is its totally useless to have an ego. So don’t accuse me of being smug pls. Cause that’s what they do here. Tell you how wrong you are, but can not support their ideas with anything but ridicule. They want you to support your argument but fail to support theirs. Right or wrong you laid it out there for them and still:smack: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/231 "2016-03-21T20:53:44Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > Cause that’s what they do here. > > Tell you how wrong you are, but can not support their ideas with anything but ridicule. > > They want you to support your argument but fail to support theirs. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: So Citibank is ridiculous? The scientists that tell us this issue should not be ignored like Trump and supporters do are also ridiculous? > [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > Right or wrong you laid it out there for them and still:smack: And by now it is not my problem, but yours that you have decided that it is better to continue to dig deeper into the hole you are getting into. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/232 "2016-03-21T21:09:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > He stands for anti-immigrant nativism, economic protectionism, preserving the kinds of entitlements (SS and Medicare) that benefit middle- and working-class white people, a full-auto aggressive foreign policy, and low taxes on the rich. Have I missed anything? U can accuse China of economic protectionism cause it has massive surpluses and yet keeps currency devalued. I want countries like India, China to focus inwards for a while. Outsiders see the US as beautiful vast land of freedom, opportunity, universal English language that everyone speaks, with beautiful diverse people etc etc. queueing up for visas and for buying assets in the US. This is an age of information(android phones, broadband) and of equality (USA has disproportionate notional wealth due to stronger currency). Anti-immigration policies may be good in this respect for some time. Islam is a poison and that’s a fact. Saudi Arabia is a worst medieval country. It is also likely the US has been ultra selfish and has been creating all these wars to save the petrodollar. Trump has irked Muslim nations (by speaking of banning Muslims), he is for energy independence as well and so, it seems he doesn’t care for the end of petrodollar. Foreign policy also has clarity. Not working anti-assad and anti-isis at the same time. I want the end of petrodollar, the end of sole reserve currency status for dollar, big crash in the value of dollar, the US not being able to afford large trade deficit or public debt to gdp ratio etc… ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/233 "2016-03-21T21:14:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: > And by now it is not my problem, but yours that you have decided that it is better to continue to dig deeper into the hole you are getting into. And yet to agree with someone is considered a problem? Keep on hatin bro Yes banks are bad mmmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/234 "2016-03-21T21:21:12Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > Right or wrong you laid it out there for them and still:smack: Mostly wrong. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/235 "2016-03-21T21:37:23Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > And yet to agree with someone is considered a problem? Keep on hatin bro Nope, you said that we could not support our ideas, that was a lie already; so keep digging, not my problem. > [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > Yes banks are bad mmmkay? That was cited only because it is notable that big economical institutions are now not willing to follow the fossil fuel ones to oblivion. ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/236 "2016-03-21T21:50:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Mostly wrong. Case in point very insightful lmao ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/237 "2016-03-21T21:51:14Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > Cause that’s what they do here. > > Tell you how wrong you are, but can not support their ideas with anything but ridicule. > > They want you to support your argument but fail to support theirs. > > Right or wrong you laid it out there for them and still:smack: You and **Truthy** should team up and create your own think tank. Years from now you can boast about how you started with nothing. ---
**Author:** ![jerry\_smissingfinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jerry\_smissingfinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry_smissingfinger)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/238 "2016-03-21T21:55:04Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You and **Truthy** should team up and create your own think tank. Years from now you can boast about how you started with nothing. another case in point ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/239 "2016-03-21T22:01:44Z")
> [@jerry\_smissingfinger](#): > > another case in point If you don’t want to be ridiculed, then stay out of the fucking Pit, you wanker. Stop whining about how people are so mean to you. Try to put three fucking coherent words together. Dumbass. There’s absolutely nothing lamer than an idiot who comes into the Pit, says moronic things, and then starts crying about how people just want to make fun of him. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/240 "2016-03-21T22:11:32Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Anti-immigration policies may be good in this respect for some time. Your words before that were just rambling and confusing, even I can tell that. You should take into account that English is my second language, so I guess I will tell my students that they should not bother then to learn proper English considering how superior you are. (“U”? :rolleyes:) (Most of my students were born here anyhow, but their parents speak mostly Spanish; still, they write better that you.) > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Islam is a poison and that’s a fact. Saudi Arabia is a worst medieval country. It is also likely the US has been ultra selfish and has been creating all these wars to save the petrodollar. Trump has irked Muslim nations (by speaking of banning Muslims), he is for energy independence as well and so, it seems he doesn’t care for the end of petrodollar. Foreign policy also has clarity. Not working anti-assad and anti-isis at the same time. The problem here is that a lot of the Muslims that risked their life helping us during all those wars are now being denied of any refugee status. That also goes for all those that did oppose the dictators in the Arab nations and got bombed out of their homes because they did look at our Democracy as an example to follow. They are now being denied entry as refugees also, and all because people like Trump think that it is more convenient to concentrate on their religion rather than on what they fought for. > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > I want the end of petrodollar, the end of sole reserve currency status for dollar, big crash in the value of dollar, the US not being able to afford large trade deficit or public debt to gdp ratio etc… More confusing pap. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=13)