# Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959 "2016-03-14T09:23:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/381 "2016-03-30T15:50:45Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I don’t understand this. Why would Republican primary voters vote for Sanders? Personally, I don’t hold a very high opinion of the base Republican voters, so maybe I don’t see them actually crossing party lines to vote for a Democrat. Because (according to BrainGlutton) their primary (no pun intended) concerns are: “…immigration, globalization, offshoring, stagnant incomes, declining prospects, and a Republican Establishment that clearly cares nothing for the economic interests of the white working class.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/382 "2016-03-30T15:51:52Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Many people who are anti-“political correctness” think that “politically correct” means we all agree on stuff but can’t say it aloud because of the “PC police”. I’ve known any number of people who think the stuff we all secretly know is stuff like: > > [ul] > [li]“Black people are just less intelligent and more violent than white people”[/li][li]“Minorities, in general, are all lusting after our white women and will rape them if they can”.[/li][li] Minorities, in general, abuse the welfare system and live pretty well without working.[/li][li]“Gays are freaky and butt sex is repulsive”[/li][li]“Girls like to be bossed around and a family works better if the man is in charge”[/li][li] “Most kids would be better off if they got a good whooping a lot more often.”[/li][/ul] > > So yeah, even to themselves they may see it as an “end to PC”, but that’s only because they don’t even realize that most people aren’t just pretending not to believe that stuff–we really don’t. I think that if Dorothy had access to this army, she could have skipped the Tin Man and the Lion. [This is an example](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/24/someone-wrote-trump-2016-on-emorys-campus-in-chalk-some-students-said-they-no-longer-feel-safe/) of the type of political correctness that I believe is engendering PC fatigue. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/383 "2016-03-30T16:33:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I think that if Dorothy had access to this army, she could have skipped the Tin Man and the Lion. > > [This is an example](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/24/someone-wrote-trump-2016-on-emorys-campus-in-chalk-some-students-said-they-no-longer-feel-safe/) of the type of political correctness that I believe is engendering PC fatigue. [Snopes.](http://www.snopes.com/emory-students-trump-graffiti/) > [@](#): > > Claim: Students at Emory University were offered “emergency counseling” after pro-Trump graffiti appeared overnight in campus “safe spaces.” > Mostly False > > WHAT’S TRUE: Students at Emory University gathered in protest after pro-Trump graffiti appeared overnight; administrators investigated the graffiti as it appeared outside designated areas for chalk markings. > > WHAT’S FALSE: “Emergency counseling” was offered to or demanded by students; Emory students complained that their “safe spaces” had been violated; students were afraid of or traumatized by the chalk markings. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/384 "2016-03-31T15:08:39Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > The party of Lincoln is now the party of the Klan and pedophiles. [Misogynists](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-lewandowski-they-re-destroying-very-good-person-n548036) as well. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/385 "2016-03-31T16:23:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No. If that analysis were accurate, Sanders would be the go-to guy much more than Trump. Logically, yes. [And in fact there is some overlap in the constituencies to whom the two appeal, and some voters are actually wavering as to whether to back Trump or Sanders.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=782325) But Trump’s base, I’m sure, includes many people to whom the word “socialism” is anathema even if one could make a case that the public policies that would satisfy them could be so described, and many who could not vote for a Democrat because of social/cultural issues. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/386 "2016-03-31T16:31:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Snopes.](http://www.snopes.com/emory-students-trump-graffiti/) What’s also true: > [@](#): > > Many students carried signs featuring slogans such as “Stop Trump” or “Stop Hate” and an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, led by College sophomore Jonathan Peraza, resounded “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad. > > […] > > “I’m supposed to feel comfortable and safe [here],” one student said. “But this man is being supported by students on our campus and our administration shows that they, by their silence, support it as well … I don’t deserve to feel afraid at my school,” she added. Agreed? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/387 "2016-03-31T16:38:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What’s also true: > > Agreed? So “Stop Hate” is political correctness rum amok? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/388 "2016-03-31T17:18:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So “Stop Hate” is political correctness rum amok? I’m curious to know if you can defend this summary of what I posted. To remind you, here’s what I quoted: _Many students carried signs featuring slogans such as “Stop Trump” or “Stop Hate” and an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, led by College sophomore Jonathan Peraza, resounded “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad._ And you summarized it as simply “stop hate.” So first to answer your question: no, “stop hate,” as a general sentiment, is not in any way amok. But to respond to chalked text supporting Trump by carrying signs such as “Stop Trump” or “Stop Hate” and an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, resounding “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad, is amok. Are you still puzzled over the difference? The difference is that “Stop hate,” standing alone, is a worthy sentiment. But “Stop hate,” on signs, combined with chanting, in response to the appearance of a political support slogan, is not fairly summarized as simply, “Stop hate;” that summary elides the intensity of the reaction. See? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/389 "2016-03-31T18:15:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But to respond to chalked text supporting Trump by carrying signs such as “Stop Trump” or “Stop Hate” and an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, resounding “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad, is . . . . . . neither unreasonable nor unpredictable. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/390 "2016-03-31T18:27:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > . . . neither unreasonable nor unpredictable. Predictable? These days, sadly, yes. Reasonable? Absolutely, assuming you’re using the Bizarro-World definition of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/391 "2016-03-31T18:56:27Z")
Apparently there is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with chalked graffiti supporting Trump (first amendment, donchaknow) … BUT … any demonstration against said graffiti is completely unreasonable political correctness. I’m struggling to figure out why one is any different than the other. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/392 "2016-03-31T19:16:51Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Apparently there is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with chalked graffiti supporting Trump (first amendment, donchaknow) … BUT … any demonstration against said graffiti is completely unreasonable political correctness. > > I’m struggling to figure out why one is any different than the other. Are you, really? > [@](#): > > Emory is taking a number of significant steps: > > Immediate refinements to certain policy and procedural deficiencies (for example, our bias incident reporting and response process); > Regular and structured opportunities for difficult dialogues (like the Transforming Community Project of several years ago); > A formal process to institutionalize identification, review, and addressing of social justice opportunities and issues; and > Commitment to an annual retreat to renew our efforts. This is a result of the student protests. Look closely. Think hard. No difference at all between the two protests? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/393 "2016-03-31T19:17:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So first to answer your question: no, “stop hate,” as a general sentiment, is not in any way amok. > > But to respond to chalked text supporting Trump by carrying signs such as “Stop Trump” or “Stop Hate” and an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, resounding “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad, is amok. Got a line, Rick? What if they weren’t chanting? Still amok? What if it was only chanting, but no signs? Amok? What if there were no chanting, and only signs reading “Stop Hate?” Amok? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/394 "2016-03-31T19:23:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Are you, really? > > This is a result of the student protests. > > Look closely. Think hard. No difference at all between the two protests? No. None. You just don’t like how they were responded to … which is the lane you’re attempted to swerve this argument into. They were both protests/demonstrations of some political stripe. Of what worth and/or obnoxiousness … who gives a shit? In the spirit of the Bricker Doctrine, tough noogies for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/395 "2016-03-31T19:47:26Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Got a line, Rick? > What if they weren’t chanting? Still amok? > > What if it was only chanting, but no signs? Amok? > > What if there were no chanting, and only signs reading “Stop Hate?” Amok? I’m not sure where the line might be, but the nice thing about this set of facts is that no matter where the line might appear, the totality of this protest is on the far side of that line. I think that any counter-protest targeted at simply expressing the alternative view that Trump is a putz is perfectly acceptable, but any attempts to stop the Trump chalkers – especially by engaging the university’s apparatus – crosses the line. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/396 "2016-03-31T19:51:58Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > No. None. You just don’t like how they were responded to … which is the lane you’re attempted to swerve this argument into. > > They were both protests/demonstrations of some political stripe. Of what worth and/or obnoxiousness … who gives a shit? > > In the spirit of the Bricker Doctrine, tough noogies for you. Heckler’s Veto. When a protest has the effect of engaging the government to shut down the disfavored viewpoint, it’s no longer simply “tough noogies.” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/397 "2016-03-31T19:55:31Z")
Oh come on. Chalking things up is obnoxious and weirdly secretive. Just come out and counter protest if it means that much to you. (You closeted Trump supporters I mean.) I think it’s perfectly acceptable to stop graffiti, chalk or otherwise. There are oh so many ways for those so silenced to express their views that don’t involve vandalism. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/398 "2016-03-31T19:59:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Heckler’s Veto. When a protest has the effect of engaging the government to shut down the disfavored viewpoint, it’s no longer simply “tough noogies.” What was “shut down”? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/399 "2016-03-31T19:59:57Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > What was “shut down”? Truth and justice. And possibly religious freedom. I always get confused on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/400 "2016-03-31T20:30:53Z")
Look, I think both **Bricker** and Trump are giant assholes (of a different type), but to say that someone the Emory incident isn’t PCness run amok is, I think, being willfully obtuse. It wasn’t hate speech. It was a name. I mean, if it’s perfectly reasonable to be afraid of the GOP front runner to have his name on campus is it perfectly reasonable to try to ban college Republican groups? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=21)