# Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959 "2016-03-14T09:23:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/481 "2016-05-01T21:50:55Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It was not remotely incoherent and is not anything near how people write when they are drunk. Really? Well if it was so clear, why don’t _you_ explain what my disdain for these pussified students has to do with David Cameron, because I _still_ don’t get it and **Derleth** himself can’t seem to explain it either. > [@BigT](#): > > He pointed out that you are an old fogey clinging on to the “good old days” who is finding out that reality is moving past you, and getting all upset by it. I’m 33. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure, based on what I’ve read of your posts, that you’re older than I am. For me - at least, as it pertains to campus culture - “the good old days” were a mere 14 years ago. That’s when I was a student. Back then we had real shit to protest. We had better things to do than barricade ourselves in the Dean’s office wailing about how hard done by we are because we saw the word Trump. > [@BigT](#): > > And it shouldn’t be remotely complicated to figure out why he’s defending them. But look at the grounds on which he’s defending them. He isn’t saying that they have good arguments. He’s saying _“They’re a bunch of bullies but bullying works so fuck you”._ That’s a weird stance. I’ve never met anyone who is pro-bully before. > [@BigT](#): > > Your “crybullies” are the good guys. They are people fighting against evil like bigotry and hate. Social Justice Warriors are the good guys, fighting the good fight. You think writing ‘TRUMP 2016’ in chalk on a sidewalk is “bigotry and hate”? Seriously? > [@BigT](#): > > Notice their fucking name? Social Justice–making society a just and fair place. You know, the things good people want. And North Korea is a Democratic Republic. It says so in the name! :rolleyes: > [@BigT](#): > > Does that mean they always get things right? No. They’re college students and human beings. So…what are you saying? These kids _think_ they’re in pain, but actually they’re wrong? They’re mistaken about that? Get it straight: I’m not opposed to their arguments. I can’t be. They’re not making any. I’m contemptuous of their claim that they’re _“in paaaaaain”_ because someone, somewhere on their campus, likes Donald Trump. Either they _are_ in pain, or they _aren’t_. If they aren’t, then they’re liars. If they are, then they’re utter cowards. Either way, they’re pathetic. > [@BigT](#): > > They make mistakes. No shit. > [@BigT](#): > > But at least they are trying to do good. Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence. > [@BigT](#): > > They are the people who are actually fighting for the little guys and the minorities. You think the majority of people would be traumatised (their word) if they saw the word Trump? > [@BigT](#): > > They’re the ones not being selfish, and caring about others. They certainly don’t care about the right of anyone who disagrees with them to express themselves. That’s pretty damn selfish. > [@BigT](#): > > Far from those who need to “grow a pair,” they are the ones who actually have a pair. And the idea of “mocking them” until they shut up is repugnant. Not that it would ever work. The more you attack, the more they are going to attack back. > > No longer are the good guys being the meek little people you can bully around. That’s what frustrates you. No. What frustrates me is that these little assholes are redefining the word ‘liberal’ to mean _“Cosseted, self-centered, intolerant, millennial douchebag who thinks feelings are more important than facts, and that they’re the only people who deserve to be heard.”_ Fuck that. And fuck them for making the rest of us look bad. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/482 "2016-05-01T21:54:26Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > \*\*Trump Pit Thread > \*\* > > I find it amusing that the SDMB vows and declares that it does not tilt hard to the left. And yet we’re up to 12 pages of this bullshit and nobody has, in the sense of fairness, started an equivalent thread against Hillary and/or Bernie. > > It is to laugh. Have you checked the multiple anti-Bernie threads? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/483 "2016-05-02T03:24:17Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > \*\*Trump Pit Thread > \*\* > > I find it amusing that the SDMB vows and declares that it does not tilt hard to the left. And yet we’re up to 12 pages of this bullshit and nobody has, in the sense of fairness, started an equivalent thread against Hillary and/or Bernie. > > It is to laugh. In your view, is all criticism of Trump off limits, or are only Republicans allowed to criticize the Trump? If your only objection is that there is just too much criticism of Trump overall, could you let us know how many posts (or how many words) may be used to criticize Trump here before we go over the limit? Lastly, why the fuck do you even care? Trump seems to be doing just fine in the primaries, despite having a whole Pit thread about him. Of course, his closest rival has been referred to as “Lucifer in the flesh” by a prominent member of his own party, so that may have something to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/484 "2016-05-02T11:11:32Z")
Well done, **Tithonus.** ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/485 "2016-05-02T15:13:53Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Really? Well if it was so clear, why don’t _you_ explain what my disdain for these pussified students has to do with David Cameron, because I _still_ don’t get it and **Derleth** himself can’t seem to explain it either. > > I’m 33. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure, based on what I’ve read of your posts, that you’re older than I am. For me - at least, as it pertains to campus culture - “the good old days” were a mere 14 years ago. That’s when I was a student. Back then we had real shit to protest. We had better things to do than barricade ourselves in the Dean’s office wailing about how hard done by we are because we saw the word Trump. > > But look at the grounds on which he’s defending them. He isn’t saying that they have good arguments. He’s saying _“They’re a bunch of bullies but bullying works so fuck you”._ That’s a weird stance. I’ve never met anyone who is pro-bully before. > > You think writing ‘TRUMP 2016’ in chalk on a sidewalk is “bigotry and hate”? Seriously? > > And North Korea is a Democratic Republic. It says so in the name! :rolleyes: > > So…what are you saying? These kids _think_ they’re in pain, but actually they’re wrong? They’re mistaken about that? Get it straight: I’m not opposed to their arguments. I can’t be. They’re not making any. I’m contemptuous of their claim that they’re _“in paaaaaain”_ because someone, somewhere on their campus, likes Donald Trump. Either they _are_ in pain, or they _aren’t_. If they aren’t, then they’re liars. If they are, then they’re utter cowards. Either way, they’re pathetic. > > No shit. > > Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence. > > You think the majority of people would be traumatised (their word) if they saw the word Trump? > > They certainly don’t care about the right of anyone who disagrees with them to express themselves. That’s pretty damn selfish. > > No. What frustrates me is that these little assholes are redefining the word ‘liberal’ to mean _“Cosseted, self-centered, intolerant, millennial douchebag who thinks feelings are more important than facts, and that they’re the only people who deserve to be heard.”_ > > Fuck that. And fuck them for making the rest of us look bad. The only thing that makes you look bad is you. You’re making blatantly anti-liberal arguments, while whining about how liberal is being redefined. I am, in fact, a couple years younger than you. But the difference is small enough that I know what liberalism was like when you were in college. And it was definitely pro-PC, not this anti-PC garbage you are spewing all over this thread. People assume you must be older, since you seem to adhere to a liberalism that hasn’t existed in forever. Not since liberal became synonymous with progressive, at any rate. You were the one making “might makes right” arguments. That’s why Derleth made those arguments back at you. You want to call these kids weak, he points out that they are actually much stronger than you. Your solution to the “problem” was to have the dean flex his muscle. A liberal who is actually for having authorities strong arm protesters rather than talk with them? Really? And I did explain Derleth’s post in my first paragraph. I didn’t think I had to specifically spell out that Cameron is Conservative politician who makes the same anti-PC bullshit arguments you make. Regardless, he is one of many people who is trying to hold on to a world that never was. It’s not complicated, as I said. These kids are fighting against bigotry. They may overreact, but they are doing what’s right. If being associated with them makes you look bad in the eyes of the people you hang out with, then you hang out with some shitty people. You have become a conservative, trying to preserve what you think liberal means, when the whole point is that it marches on. And it already has moved past where you are. Wanting things to go back the way they were in the past is the literal definition of conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/486 "2016-05-02T16:16:02Z")
That would be the literal definition of “reactionary”. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/487 "2016-05-02T20:55:38Z")
Trump getting elected might just be worth it if it means getting to see BigT’s head explode. That and a bunch of other self righteous wankers “leaving” the country. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/488 "2016-05-02T21:14:05Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Trump getting elected might just be worth it if it means getting to see BigT’s head explode. > > That and a bunch of other self righteous wankers “leaving” the country. Another funny thing would be to see what they say when they find out that they cannot simply move to Canada. We actually have immigration policies, almost like we’re an independent country or something! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/489 "2016-05-04T04:13:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The only thing that makes you look bad is you. You’re making blatantly anti-liberal arguments, while whining about how liberal is being redefined. > > I am, in fact, a couple years younger than you. But the difference is small enough that I know what liberalism was like when you were in college. And it was definitely pro-PC, not this anti-PC garbage you are spewing all over this thread. People assume you must be older, since you seem to adhere to a liberalism that hasn’t existed in forever. Not since liberal became synonymous with progressive, at any rate. > > You were the one making “might makes right” arguments. That’s why Derleth made those arguments back at you. You want to call these kids weak, he points out that they are actually much stronger than you. Your solution to the “problem” was to have the dean flex his muscle. A liberal who is actually for having authorities strong arm protesters rather than talk with them? Really? > > And I did explain Derleth’s post in my first paragraph. I didn’t think I had to specifically spell out that Cameron is Conservative politician who makes the same anti-PC bullshit arguments you make. Regardless, he is one of many people who is trying to hold on to a world that never was. > > It’s not complicated, as I said. These kids are fighting against bigotry. They may overreact, but they are doing what’s right. If being associated with them makes you look bad in the eyes of the people you hang out with, then you hang out with some shitty people. > > You have become a conservative, trying to preserve what you think liberal means, when the whole point is that it marches on. And it already has moved past where you are. > > Wanting things to go back the way they were in the past is the literal definition of conservatism. WTF does someone writing “TRUMP 2016” (in CHALK, for Christ sakes!) have to do with social justice? How is that bigotry? That’s not overreacting, that’s full on batshit. Like it or not, their classmates have every right to support Trump. Whining about it “waaaah, seeing someone support a political candidate hurts my feelings!” is indeed being a crybaby. I believe college is a time when you’re supposed to be exposed to new ideas – even ones that may offend you. (At least that’s how it was when I was there – and it looks like I’m older than you). These little brats are no different from the idiots who want to be excused from assignments that offend their religious beliefs. You’re not at college to be coddled – you’re there to have your ideas tested. No, you don’t have a right to be shielded from it. (Hell, what do these kids do when they see a Trump bumperstick on someone’s car, have a freaking panic attack?) Wanna fight for social justice? Fine, go work with abused kids. Volunteer at a homeless shelter. But the reason the phrase “SJW” has become an insult is because most of these idiots don’t care about actual justice, just about being exposed to things they disagree with. We have a word for that: censorship. They want to criticize Trump and his supporters? Go right ahead? Demand that they not be allowed to speak, or out right ask for counseling at the very idea that Trump supporters exist? That’s fucking bullshit. How the hell do these kids manage to dress themselves everyday? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/490 "2016-05-04T16:30:28Z")
Calm down, Grandma. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/491 "2016-05-04T17:25:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Another funny thing would be to see what they say when they find out that they cannot simply move to Canada. We actually have immigration policies, almost like we’re an independent country or something! Personally I don’t think that would make up for the massive economic disruption and wave of job losses caused by Trump cancelling NAFTA. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/492 "2016-05-04T18:29:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Personally I don’t think that would make up for the massive economic disruption and wave of job losses caused by Trump cancelling NAFTA. It would certainly be a hoot to see Trump try to cancel NAFTA, or indeed to try to re-open any trade agreement. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/493 "2016-05-04T18:36:56Z")
I remember way, way back before Donald Trump was even remotely significant to me. And him bragging about how he screwed Merv Griffin on a hotel deal, because he was so much smarter. I remember thinking, what kind of asshole brags about shafting someone? The Republican nominee for President. Christ, what an imagination I’ve got! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/494 "2016-05-04T18:59:46Z")
We should do an “over/under” on this thread, how long it will get before the actual election. Which is, Goddess help us all, six months away! What, a hundred pages? ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/495 "2016-05-04T20:00:08Z")
Bet the GOP now wishes it hadn’t spent a generation radicalizing its base via AM radio, conflating compromise with abject surrender, celebrating anti-intellectualism and oversimplified answers, portraying government as the enemy, coddling bigots and racists, and embracing torture. A party of ethical adults would have nipped that Birther nonsense in the bud, and Donald Trump would still be a reality TeeVee star instead of the leader of the dying American “conservative” movement. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/496 "2016-05-04T20:04:10Z")
Right wing radio personality and Cruz supporter Steve Deace [renounced his membership in the Republican Party](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/steve-deace-breaks-republican-party), and called Donald Trump “Louis Farrakhan for white people.” ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/497 "2016-05-04T20:30:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It would certainly be a hoot to see Trump try to cancel NAFTA, or indeed to try to re-open any trade agreement. I am sure The Donald wouldn’t let Congress get in his way. You don’t think Donald Trump gives a shit about the separation of powers, do you? Executive orders by the truckload, baby. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/498 "2016-05-04T20:40:53Z")
> [@irae](#): > > Bet the GOP now wishes it hadn’t spent a generation radicalizing its base via AM radio, conflating compromise with abject surrender, celebrating anti-intellectualism and oversimplified answers, portraying government as the enemy, coddling bigots and racists, and embracing torture. A party of ethical adults would have nipped that Birther nonsense in the bud, and Donald Trump would still be a reality TeeVee star instead of the leader of the dying American “conservative” movement. This is exactly right. The Republican party deserves Trump. Our country does, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/499 "2016-05-04T20:44:34Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Our country does, in my opinion. What did the rest of the country do?! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/500 "2016-05-04T21:09:19Z")
> [@irae](#): > > Bet the GOP now wishes it hadn’t spent a generation radicalizing its base via AM radio, conflating compromise with abject surrender, celebrating anti-intellectualism and oversimplified answers, portraying government as the enemy, coddling bigots and racists, and embracing torture. Like there was any other way they could have gotten this far?! Biz-friendly economic policies are not enough to rouse a base. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=26)