# Trump Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959 "2016-03-14T09:23:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/561 "2016-06-23T04:10:02Z")
:smack: > [@Senegoid](#): > > Close. An actual Republican president co-starred with one. And your latest Republican President actually was one šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/562 "2016-06-23T05:58:46Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > > [@Senegoid](#): > > > > Close. An actual Republican president co-starred with one. > > :smack: > > And your latest Republican President actually was one šŸ™‚ Actually, I picture him as more of an [organ grinderā€™s monkey](http://www.damballa.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Organ_grinder_with_monkey.jpg). The organ grinder being, of course, Darth Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/563 "2016-06-23T08:57:29Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > This had been kicking around a while, but seems to be getting traction in the news recently: > > Trump has been spending a lot of his meager campaign money paying for goods and services from his own companies. So heā€™s spending his donorsā€™ money on himself. This apparently has just gotten on the news radar because of his latest FEC filings. > > [Trumpā€™s campaign spends $6 million with Trump companies](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9f7412236962464f9f2c0a8d2696ba25/trumps-campaign-cycles-6-million-trump-companies) Question - I thought this was illegal? I thought the campaign money could not go to you, and that included your companies, just to reduce the shenanigans. Am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/564 "2016-06-23T08:58:44Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > That was in reference to certain posters here who have opined that itā€™s ā€œperfectly acceptableā€ usage and merely a matter of ā€œsubjective interpretationā€. :rolleyes: > > OK, I couldnā€™t restrain myself! šŸ˜ƒ I read it as a brilliant satirical interpretation of the Tangerine Dream himself. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/565 "2016-06-23T14:54:28Z")
Iā€™ve only skimmed the thread, but _ **I want to Pit anyone actually Pitting Donald Trump!** _ Sure, heā€™s an obnoxious asshole, but so are a few million other Americans. They donā€™t attract much attention because theyā€™re not billionaires. Are you going to blame Trump for being mega-rich? Thatā€™s actually the one thing to his credit compared with millions of other American assholes. It would be fair to Pit him for hoping to be President, a horrid possibility that might knock down the Cheney-Bush election into 2nd-place for biggest tragedy of the 21st century. But Trump, in his heart of hearts, knows heā€™s unqualified and is now desperately fighting _not_ to get elected. If you want to Pit someone for that sin, Pit GWB who probably has a higher raw IQ than Trump but wasnā€™t smart enough to understand how horribly unqualified he was for the job. And donā€™t Pit Trumpā€™s supporters. The average American is remarkably stupid ā€¦ and 49% of Americans are even dumber than that! If you must Pit someone, Pit heinous jackals like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers. They have deliberately fostered hatred and ignorance to line their own pockets. Now America may reap what these billionaires have sown. Letā€™s be optimistic and expect to give Trump a big _Thank You_ in November! If his candidacy leads to a landslide for the forces of reason, sweeping to power in the White House and the Senate and maybe, just maybe, even the House, then Trump will be one of the greatest heroes of our time. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/566 "2016-06-23T15:50:58Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Sure, heā€™s an obnoxious asshole, but so are a few million other Americans. They donā€™t attract much attention because theyā€™re not billionaires. Are you going to blame Trump for being mega-rich? Trump is not being pitted for being rich. Heā€™s being pitted for the obnoxious, disgusting, racist statements heā€™s made, and for being a total douche bag. You might benefit from reading the thread first. > [@septimus](#): > > But Trump, in his heart of hearts, knows heā€™s unqualified and is now desperately fighting _not_ to get elected. No, Trump is not that introspective, or frankly that smart. He really does think heā€™s the Smartest and Bestest Person Ever. > [@septimus](#): > > If you must Pit someone, Pit heinous jackals like Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers. They have deliberately fostered hatred and ignorance to line their own pockets. Now America may reap what these billionaires have sown. I would stand behind such a pitting. We can pit Trump AND others. At the same time even. No problem. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/567 "2016-06-23T19:25:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Letā€™s be optimistic and expect to give Trump a big _Thank You_ in November! If his candidacy leads to a landslide for the forces of reason, sweeping to power in the White House and the Senate and maybe, just maybe, even the House, then Trump will be one of the greatest heroes of our time. Hang tight, thereā€™s a time and a place for everything. Come November, when all the above comes to pass, then we can certainly have our grateful ticker-tape parade thread for our fabulous Hero Donald. It will be a yuuuuuuuge thread! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/568 "2016-06-23T19:59:20Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > Question - I thought this was illegal? I thought the campaign money could not go to you, and that included your companies, just to reduce the shenanigans. Am I missing something? AFAICT, itā€™s not _simply_ going to his companies. The idea is, if Hillary Clinton and her crew go somewhere so she can give a big speech to a cheering crowd, then the campaign will pay full price to fly everyone in, and will pay full price to fly them out the next day ā€“ and will pay full price to put them all up in a local hotel overnight, and will pay full price for any meals they get from room service, after she speaks at the facility she rented. Which is perfectly legitimate. Donald Trump does the same thing, no matter what corporation happens to own the hotels in question or the plane they flew on or the facility they rented: said corporation charges full price, and the Trump campaign routinely pays up. He canā€™t just take in donor money and hand it to one of his companies; he needs to purchase goods or services from it; otherwise, as you hint, this story would be BIG news instead of just _ā€œheh, thatā€™s weird and interesting and cynicalā€_ news. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/569 "2016-06-24T02:37:56Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > AFAICT, itā€™s not _simply_ going to his companies. > > The idea is, if \*\*Hillary Clinton \*\*and her crew go somewhere so she can give a big speech to a cheering crowd, then the campaign will pay full price to fly everyone in, and will pay full price to fly them out the next day ā€“ and will pay full price to put them all up in a local hotel overnight, and will pay full price for any meals they get from room service, after she speaks at the facility she rented. Which is perfectly legitimate. > > Donald Trump does the same thing, no matter what corporation happens to own the hotels in question or the plane they flew on or the facility they rented: said corporation charges full price, and the Trump campaign routinely pays up. > > He canā€™t just take in donor money and hand it to one of his companies; he needs to purchase goods or services from it; otherwise, as you hint, this story would be BIG news instead of just _ā€œheh, thatā€™s weird and interesting and cynicalā€_ news. Formatting mine ā€” Are we talking Clinton or Trump here? Having been involved in small scale conference organisation, speaking engagements and seminars before, along with flight arrangements etcā€¦ I can assure you we NEVER pay ā€œfullā€ (list) price for anything. When you are taking this many rooms, making this many bookings or buying this much ā€œstuffā€ we ALWAYS get a discount or quid pro quo of some sort that binges the price down substantially over the casual or list rate. If it turns out that the campaign has, indeed, paid ā€œfull priceā€ for such things I would very much view it as fraud. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/570 "2016-06-24T06:40:09Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > If it turns out that the campaign has, indeed, paid ā€œfull priceā€ for such things I would very much view it as fraud. IANAL, but I certainly understand the argument that _morally_ itā€™s fraud. Would it also _legally_ be fraud? ETA: I ask _not_ because Iā€™m curious whether the Trump is a fraudster ā€” we already know the answer to that. Iā€™m just curious about legal matters. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/571 "2016-06-24T07:06:28Z")
For the jurisdiction where I am I wouldnā€™t want to test the courts on it. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/572 "2016-06-24T20:02:59Z")
[Trump tweets from Scotland](http://mashable.com/2016/06/24/trump-tweet-brexit/#61d9HUkHfsqE): > [@](#): > > Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games! All 32 voting areas in Scotland voted to stay in the E.U. Oops. ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/573 "2016-06-24T20:09:52Z")
A Facebook friend of mine re-posted these very Scottish responses from Twitter. > [@](#): > > Actual replies from Scots, who, I assume, do not know each other: > ā€œScotland voted Remain, you weapons-grade plum.ā€ > ā€œScotland voted Remain you muppet.ā€ > ā€œScotland voted to stay you numpty.ā€ > ā€œScotland voted to remain, you tit.ā€ > ā€œScotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in Europe you toupĆ©d fucktrumpetā€ > ā€œScotland voted to stay, you witless fucking cocksplatā€ > ā€œScotland voted IN you moronā€ > ā€œScotland voted to stay in the EU ya ignorant foolā€ > "Scotland voted to stay, you half-melted, oversized Claymation figurine. " > ā€œScotland voted Remain ya fat prickā€ > ā€œScotland, literally voted to remain you orange, pompous foolā€ > ā€œScotland voted to remain in EU you twat-faced asshatā€ ---
**Author:** ![Tierce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@Tierce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tierce)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/574 "2016-06-25T02:37:38Z")
Those are the tame ones. The FB post I saw go by today had four quotes ā€“ the ā€œcocksplatā€ one above plus these: ā€œScotland voted remain you incompressible jizztrumpetā€ ā€œScotland voted to stay & plan on a second referendum, you tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbonā€ ā€œWe voted 62% to Remain, you ignorant fuckmuppet. Weā€™re fucking furious at the result.ā€ If youā€™re going to cuss, cuss like a Scotsman! ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/575 "2016-06-25T02:52:34Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > The organ grinder being, of course, Darth Cheney. To be fair, he only ground up other peopleā€™s organsā€¦ and only the ones he couldnā€™t sell on the black market. /s * * * Q: Has it been mentioned yet that after firing Corey Lewandowski, Team Drumpf quietly hired/appointed both Michelle ā€œCrazy Eyesā€ Bachmann and Jerry Falwell? [Cite](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-hires-michele-bachmann-jerry-falwell-jr-article-1.2683361) (You just canā€™t make this shit upā€¦) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/576 "2016-06-25T03:11:42Z")
> [@Tierce](#): > > If youā€™re going to cuss, cuss like a Scotsman! Now re-read them in your best Groundskeeper Willie voice. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/577 "2016-06-25T04:42:35Z")
> [@neofishboy](#): > > A Facebook friend of mine re-posted these very Scottish responses from Twitter. > [@Tierce](#): > > Those are the tame ones. The FB post I saw go by today had four quotes ā€“ the ā€œcocksplatā€ one above plus these: > > ā€œScotland voted remain you incompressible jizztrumpetā€ > ā€œScotland voted to stay & plan on a second referendum, you tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbonā€ > ā€œWe voted 62% to Remain, you ignorant fuckmuppet. Weā€™re fucking furious at the result.ā€ > > If youā€™re going to cuss, cuss like a Scotsman! Taking notes. ---
**Author:** ![Tierce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@Tierce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tierce)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/578 "2016-06-25T05:39:49Z")
Iā€™m still trying to work out what ā€œincompressible jizztrumpetā€ means exactly, but whatever it is, itā€™s fucking poetic. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/579 "2016-06-25T05:49:04Z")
> [@Tierce](#): > > Iā€™m still trying to work out what ā€œincompressible jizztrumpetā€ means exactly, but whatever it is, itā€™s fucking poetic. I really liked ā€œweapons-grade plumā€. ETA: Maybe ā€œincompressibleā€ was supposed to be ā€œincomprehensibleā€. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959/580 "2016-06-25T13:12:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Maybe ā€œincompressibleā€ was supposed to be ā€œincomprehensibleā€. Or the writer was noting that the Trump campaign hasnā€™t stopped hemorrhaging yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pit-thread/748959.md?page=30)