# Trump, potential incarceration, and Secret Service protection **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 19, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506 "2024-04-19T16:05:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/241 "2024-06-09T01:02:33Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I don’t see a serious problem, although I’m not an expert. Agreed. Once he’s isolated in prison, trump becomes the _easiest_ politician to protect. He doesn’t travel and he doesn’t interact with the public. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/242 "2024-06-09T01:31:03Z")
The judge should tell him that because of all the threats he faces, he is putting Trump in “protective custody” for a couple of years. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/243 "2024-06-09T03:47:02Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Once he’s isolated in prison, trump becomes the _easiest_ politician to protect. 120 prisoners a year are killed by other prisoners. They dont even count the number of beatdowns. A prison is a very dangerous place to be. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/244 "2024-06-09T07:18:09Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 120 prisoners a year are killed by other prisoners. They dont even count the number of beatdowns. A prison is a very dangerous place to be. Sure, but no other prisoners have a large contingent of Secret Service agents around them 24/7 for their defense. And with a prison, it would be easier to keep weapons out, whereas the president can theoretically be in a sniper’s scope any time he is out and about in public, i.e., John F. Kennedy in Dallas. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/245 "2024-06-09T07:48:02Z")
And 21,570 homicides in the U.S. last year, total. 120 within prison walls. 21,450 outside prison walls. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/246 "2024-06-09T11:26:06Z")
For the full picture, you need to also consider that there are a lot more people outside of prison than inside. At any given moment, about 0.7% of the population is behind bars. Which means that you’re actually 25% more likely to be killed outside of prison than inside. Though, that’s comparing to the population as a whole. Presidents are at much greater risk than ordinary citizens, with 9% of them having been assassinated. Trump would be far safer in a prison than he would be out and about. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/247 "2024-06-09T11:44:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Moriarty](#): > > > > Once he’s isolated in prison, trump becomes the _easiest_ politician to protect. > > 120 prisoners a year are killed by other prisoners. They dont even count the number of beatdowns. A prison is a very dangerous place to be. Hence why I used the word **isolated**. Sure, he needs to be in a separate cell block from everybody else. But once that’s accomplished, he’s easy to protect. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/248 "2024-06-09T12:19:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And 21,570 homicides in the U.S. last year, total. > 120 within prison walls. > 21,450 outside prison walls. Using these numbers, and with 1.9 million Americans in lockup, and with 331.4 million outside, I get: Homicide rate in lockup: 63 per million. Homicide rate outside lockup: 65 per million. But consider that 82 percent of homicide victims are male, and men make up 90 percent of those incarcerated in the U.S. If I was to control by gender, we would see a much lower homicide rate for men who are incarcerated as compared to those who are free. This is not to say that 120 homicides a year is acceptable. But I think the legitimate and realistic purpose of secret service protection is to bring down the physical dangers of the presidency to that of average Americans, and, with Trump in a normal prison situation, that would be achieved. Also consider the rate of motor vehicle deaths in and out of prison. Outside, I calculate about 128 per million. Inside? Maybe not zero, but darn close. With normal prison guard protection, Trump is safer inside than I am outside. With armed Secret Service protection inside, I think his biggest risk of violent death would be from a Secret Service agent’s weapon. ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/249 "2024-06-10T12:32:58Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > So how long will it be before the Qanon folks start insisting that Trump did all of that as a plan to infiltrate the US prison system and thus reveal the secrets that Biden and the rest of the Deep State are hiding behind bars? And for those that think he’s not a naughty boy, but is in fact the Messiah: > **[Harrowing of Hell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell)** > > In Christian theology, the Harrowing of Hell (Latin: Descensus Christi ad Inferos, "the descent of Christ into Hell" or Hades)\[a\] is the period of time between the Crucifixion of Jesus and his resurrection. In triumphant descent, Christ brought salvation to the souls held captive there since the beginning of the world. > Christ's descent into the world of the dead is referred to in the Apostles' Creed and the Athanasian Creed (Quicumque vult), which state that he "descended into the underworld" ... ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/250 "2024-06-10T19:13:34Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Those meals would come from the prison kitchen, of course. If it’s meatloaf, mashed potatoes, and peas; and bread and butter and a fruit cup, then that’s what it is. Ketchup and other condiments, would be available, of course, as they are to all inmates. But nothing specially prepared, unless Trump has some dietary need that we don’t know about (and “But I want \_\_\_\_\_ today” doesn’t count). So, no hamberders unless th I think he should be put on an orangic vegan diet and not allowed junk food. 😉 Do any NYS prisons have wind farms? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/251 "2024-06-10T19:17:39Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > orangic vegan diet Was that a typo or deliberate? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/252 "2024-06-10T19:37:31Z")
I may start using the term “orangic” to refer to Trumpy things. I love that word. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/253 "2024-06-11T14:26:53Z")
Trump just had an interview with a probation officer (on Zoom and w/ his lawyer unlike most defendants 🙄); could be required to undergoe a mental health exam as part of the presentancing report? What about afterwards if he gets a custodial sentence or supervised release? What about drug testing? > [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Was that a typo or deliberate? 🤭 Freudian slip maybe? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506.md?page=12)