# Trump, potential incarceration, and Secret Service protection **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [April 19, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506 "2024-04-19T16:05:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/81 "2024-04-29T00:14:59Z")
I don’t think the SS will be driving the decision for where he’s incarcerated. I think there are existing facilities that will serve the purpose. I think he’s going to get the Frankie Pentangeli treatment. Safe, isolated, nothing cruel, but a complete loss of freedom. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/82 "2024-04-29T01:57:51Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > I think he’s going to get the Frankie Pentangeli treatment. Safe, isolated, nothing cruel, but a complete loss of freedom. Fictional character. The only real examples of one prisoner/one facility I can think of are Napoleon Bonaparte and Rudolf Hess. One escape, one suicide. Hopefully I’m missing some happier examples. A bunch of presidents, internationally, have gone to prison. Does anyone know if they were isolated and/or locked up with armed personal bodyguards? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/83 "2024-04-29T02:11:06Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Fictional character. Thanks. I didn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/84 "2024-04-29T08:05:27Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > New York State authorities that want to build a true Prison for One? This would be quite unpopular with New York State taxpayers. I know it is completely on the other side of the country, but may I suggest a charmingly renovated ferderal prison: Alcatraz. It has everything he needs. Isolation. Impossibility of escape. No other inmates. Accomodation for the Secret Service. The possibility of tourists to visit, to point and laugh. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/85 "2024-04-29T16:24:49Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > The only real examples of one prisoner/one facility I can think of are Napoleon Bonaparte and Rudolf Hess. One escape, one suicide. Hopefully I’m missing some happier examples. Pablo Escobar was quite happy in his custom-built jail: > **[Pablo Escobar Once Designed A Prison For Himself Complete With Jacuzzi And Disco](https://allthatsinteresting.com/la-catedral)** > > Pablo Escobar agreed to serve time in Colombia on the condition that he be able to construct his own exceedingly lavish prison. I don’t think there were any other prisoners in there but from the article it sounds like he definitely wasn’t alone there either. It isn’t mentioned in the article but I remember from Mark Bowden’s book _Killing Pablo_ that there was a secret tunnel in this facility that allow Pablo to come and go as he pleased. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/86 "2024-04-29T17:40:22Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > The only real examples of one prisoner/one facility I can think of are Napoleon Bonaparte and Rudolf Hess. One escape, one suicide. Hopefully I’m missing some happier examples. > > Pablo Escobar was quite happy in his custom-built jail: Good one to remember, but, as you sort of mention, not a good model to follow. He escaped and was never recaptured. P.S. Napoleon on Elba and Escobar are both examples where the VIP gets treated much better than an ordinary prisoner. Mistake, just as it would be a mistake to treat Trump worse than normal. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/87 "2024-04-29T17:43:35Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > He escaped and was never recaptured. He was in his ‘prison’ for 13 months before he escaped. He stayed on the run for about 18 months before he was gunned down. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/88 "2024-05-29T20:06:29Z")
Those Stormy daniels indictments are class E felonies= each could carry a sentence of 4 years. Mind you that is unlikely. I suspect it will be a year+ 3 years suspended, and in-house arrest. Tha is due to the security problems. Plus a huge fine. The judge should be influenced by a first offense white collar crime- plus security issues. So, like I said- no more than 1 year house arrest + suspended sentence + fines. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/89 "2024-05-29T20:08:00Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I suspect it will be a year+ 3 years suspended, and in-house arrest. Tha is due to the security problems. Again, what security issues? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/90 "2024-05-29T20:08:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Again, what security issues? The ex-president with his Secret Service protections. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/91 "2024-05-29T21:03:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I suspect it will be a year+ 3 years suspended, and in-house arrest. if they can get him to keep his trap shut for a year that would be ok. But will never, ever happen. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/92 "2024-05-29T21:41:52Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The ex-president with his Secret Service protections. And why does that prevent Trump from being imprisoned? Again, that’s the whole purpose of this thread: Why can’t the Secret Service protect Trump in prison just as well as they can anywhere else? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/93 "2024-05-29T21:45:50Z")
Yeah, this just keeps coming up. If he gets house arrest, I don’t think it will be because of Secret Service issues. It would be trivially easy to accommodate an SS detail. Or the SS could delegate their duty to the DoC. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/94 "2024-05-30T01:06:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And why does that prevent Trump from being imprisoned? Again, that’s the whole purpose of this thread: Why can’t the Secret Service protect Trump in prison just as well as they can anywhere else? People where they keep the prisoners cant have guns. Police officers surrender their firearms before going in. And you are gonna make some Secret Service agents live like prisoners? Unfair to them. > [@Stratocaster](#): > > If he gets house arrest, I don’t think it will be because of Secret Service issues. It would be trivially easy to accommodate an SS detail. Or the SS could delegate their duty to the DoC. See above. When I was on the Civil Grand Jury, we had to inspect all jails, and unless it is a youth facility, the facilities are grim. How is it “trivial” ? We dont know how many Agents protect trump, but= > **[If Donald Trump goes to jail, does his Secret Service come with? | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-secret-service-former-presidents-1.6808177)** > > The legal woes of Donald Trump have cast a new light on the role of those federal agents assigned to protect Trump, and other former presidents, for the rest of their lives: the U.S. Secret Service. _Kessler said that when George W. Bush left office, the threat level was such that he had around 75 officers protecting him and his wife Laura to cover shifts around the clock._ They will be a minimum of 4 agents each shift, 24/7. _“Simply, the law mandates it and the Secret Service would have to provide protection, even in jail, as only the protectee may end it,” he wrote._ \*But Miller said that would be “exceptionally problematic” for the Secret Service and create a whole lot of challenges. \* _“And quite frankly, I don’t think there would ever be a scenario where he would be placed in a jail with other people,” he said. “That would be problematic across the spectrum.”_ So, no, not “trivial”. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/95 "2024-05-30T01:19:40Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And you are gonna make some Secret Service agents live like prisoners? Unfair to them. I’d imagine that “putting up with whatever living conditions the president is in” is part of the job description. When Bush went to Baghdad, nobody said “It’s too hot and dry for the SS agents.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/96 "2024-05-30T01:22:32Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > When Bush went to Baghdad, nobody said “It’s too hot and dry for the SS agents.” Best food, air conditioned quarters, rec rooms, films, etc- hardly a vacation, but not a prison. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/97 "2024-05-30T01:22:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And you are gonna make some Secret Service agents live like prisoners? No, I’m going to ask them to do their jobs. Do the ordinary wardens of a prison live like prisoners? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/98 "2024-05-30T01:24:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Do the ordinary wardens of a prison live like prisoners? No. they stay outside the prisoner area, which is how so many prisoners get shanked. The Secret Service is not gonna let trump get shanked, or beat up, etc. Anyway, my cite made it clear. Argue with that expert. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/99 "2024-05-30T01:31:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > People where they keep the prisoners cant have guns. Police officers surrender their firearms before going in. And you are gonna make some Secret Service agents live like prisoners? Unfair to them. You should get right on the horn to the Secret Service, because they’re reportedly already in discussions with the Department of Corrections regarding Trump’s possible incarceration. They may not be aware of your research. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2024, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506/100 "2024-05-30T01:39:50Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > You should get right on the horn to the Secret Service, because they’re reportedly already in discussions with the Department of Corrections regarding Trump’s possible incarceration. Cite? I gave mine, and it makes it clear- nope. And the DOC is not the Secret Service- and the LAW states Secret Service. Unless you think the GOP controlled House will revise it just for trump? But here is the cite- > **[Have the Secret Service and NY Department of Corrections discussed Trump...](https://en.as.com/latest_news/have-the-secret-service-and-ny-department-of-corrections-discussed-trump-going-to-jail-n/)** > > Donald Trump is awaiting the jury’s verdict on the 34 felony counts he is facing in New York which could carry up to four years in prison for each. _Despite an [explosion of posts across social media](https://newrepublic.com/post/182006/secret-service-trump-jail-hush-money-trial) that the Secret Service has met with the New York Department of Corrections to make arrangements for that possibility based on reporting from [CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-if-trump-is-convicted-in-new-york-trial/), there has been no formal statement of any such discussions._ \*_The article in question cites a source in the NY corrections who believes it’s a possibility that preparations have been made._ So read that last line. Now read- _Levin thinks that house arrest, followed by probation could be appealing for the jurist overseeing the trial who doesn’t want to be seen as interferring with the 2024 election in which Trump is the presumptive nominee._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-potential-incarceration-and-secret-service-protection/1000506.md?page=6)