# Trump Pressured Georgia Official to ‘Find’ Enough Votes to Overturn Election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 3, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592 "2021-01-03T20:06:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/201 "2021-01-04T23:20:18Z")
Thanks for the upload. I was wracking my brain after reading @Alessan’s post trying to figure out where I’ve heard that “underworld subtext speak gone awry” before. Mitchell & Webb are always good for a laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/202 "2021-01-04T23:24:09Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Surely the Republicans will not stand for such a blatant abuse of power Never. They know that secretive abuses of power work better. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/203 "2021-01-04T23:47:25Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > The implication is that Trump wanted to “invent” or “create” votes that didn’t exist. Choose whatever descriptive word you want but there’s nothing to that claim. Regardless of what you think Trump believes, those 11780 votes DO NOT EXIST. There is no way to “find” them unless you make them up. And I think he knows that and that is exactly what he was implying. Hence Trump saying “there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, that you’ve recalculated.” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/204 "2021-01-04T23:50:29Z")
Ha! Good one. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/205 "2021-01-04T23:50:45Z")
Could he be impeached after the expiration of his term to strip him of his pension and forestall the prospect of him running in '24? ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/206 "2021-01-04T23:50:51Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > I have several questions. Why Georgia? Changing Georgia wouldn’t change the outcome of the election. Therefore, I infer that there were probably similar phone calls to PA, MI, and WI. Second, I think Trump is not as stupid or deranged as he appears. He has skated as close as possible to such criminal activities as suborning vote fraud, extortion, without quite crossing the line In PA, MI, and WI, the governors are Democrats. It’s the state legislatures that are Republican. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/207 "2021-01-04T23:59:58Z")
> [@U.S. Constitution Article I Section 3](#): > > The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. A sitting President can clearly be removed from office, denied a pension, and forbidden from running again. _If_ a _former_ President can be impeached, the same penalties could presumably be imposed. That’s a big if. This article has a good discussion of the issues and uncertainties: > **[Analysis | Can former presidents be impeached?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/06/can-former-presidents-be-impeached/)** > > The claim may sound absurd, but it's the subject of real debate among impeachment scholars. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/208 "2021-01-05T00:03:39Z")
Let’s be clear, so that there is no confusion. Trump did not actually utter the words “Raffensperger, I want you to commit election fraud by making up fake votes for me. If you do not do this, I will order your family killed.” So therefore, Trump is completely innocent of any wrongdoing, correct? That’s the bar for the Trumplican Party at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/209 "2021-01-05T00:05:22Z")
Also, Trump is allowed to tweet some made up stories about the conversation that took place, and if someone DARES to actually release the exact words that Trump said, why that is completely unacceptable! Only Dear Leader is allowed to tell us what words he said. Any disagreement with Dear Leader is a horrible act! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/210 "2021-01-05T00:09:24Z")
Remember how Trump never uttered the phrase “quid pro quo”, therefore it was a perfect phone call and there was no collusion? Or how Benghazi happened because Obama refused to say “radical Islamic terrorism”? Same logic - unless you utter the magic words, it doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/211 "2021-01-05T00:10:27Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > those 11780 votes DO NOT EXIST. As the Lead Stories fact check link shows, context is important. Those votes **DO EXIST** and have been counted. Trump is referring to what his lawyers believe are **INVALID votes cast for Biden… not uncounted votes.** ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/212 "2021-01-05T00:11:15Z")
But it’s bullshit. You saw this, right? > [@Trump Pressured Georgia Official to ‘Find’ Enough Votes to Overturn Election](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/195): > > [[Georgia Secretary of State’s office holds a news conference after leaked Trump call | FULL EVENT] ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbAYDg66Jhs) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/213 "2021-01-05T00:14:05Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I am unfamiliar with leadstories dot com [One of Zuckerberg’s fact-checkers](https://www.theatlantavoice.com/articles/a-facebook-fact-checker-will-propose-a-possible-solution-to-the-companys-false-ad-debacle/) which ain’t sayin’ much. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/214 "2021-01-05T00:16:32Z")
What his lawyers _believe_ has no factual basis or evidence behind it. As bobot so succinctly put it… It’s bullshit. Allegations of invalid votes for Biden are complete, unmitigated, made up laughable bullshit. Go listen to the video of the REPUBLICAN Georgia secretary of state explain exactly why these allegations are BULLSHIT. The claims by Trump and his band of nitwits have no evidence. Whatsoever. They are delusional rantings of idiots. That’s all. Is this clear enough? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/215 "2021-01-05T00:18:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Is this clear enough? - Clear is never enough. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/216 "2021-01-05T00:31:57Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > Is this clear enough? - > > Clear is never enough. > [@Mammal](#): > > [Have I painted a portrait or picture that’s clear enough?](https://www.mammalband.com/clear-enough) 😼 ---
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jungian_camisole1/32/3646_2.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole1)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/217 "2021-01-05T00:56:49Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Why did I read that? That was seriously Caine Mutiny level ranting. How can anybody think he is competent? As I was reading through it, all I could think is that not only did his cheese slip off of his cracker, it took off at the speed of Usain Bolt. Between tomorrows’ Georgia runoff, Mike Pence working the Electoral process, and the Proud Boys descending on DC on the 20th, we are in for some interesting times. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/218 "2021-01-05T00:57:37Z")
_ **Moderating** _ Coming into a thread to “debunk” a claim no one has made is trolling. Warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/219 "2021-01-05T01:04:23Z")
I kinda wish the House would Impeach Trump again. I think we still have enough folks there to do it. Sure, the Senate won’t Convict him. There won’t be a Removal. I just like the idea of Trump having been Impeached at the start and the end of his term. It’s like he received an F the first semester and the second semester despite his daddy/mommy blustering. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/220 "2021-01-05T01:07:56Z")
> [@Jungian\_Camisole1](#): > > Proud Boys descending on DC on the 20th, Proud boy leader has just been arrested, and may face a weapons charge. So possibly no carousing around DC for him in the next while. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592.md?page=12)