# Trump "punches" CNN **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 2, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361 "2017-07-02T15:51:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/41 "2017-07-02T21:59:54Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > So the guy who whines about ‘fake news’ puts a pro wrestling clip, which is fake, out on Twitter. I’m not entirely sure Trump knows that wrestling isn’t real. In his own mind he probably thinks he legitimately beat up Vince McMahon and everyone was amazed by how strong and powerful he was. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/42 "2017-07-02T22:16:45Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > We did do it to ourselves, and continue to do it with an another over the top reaction to something barely worth mentioning in the first place. We’ve just seen that anti-Trump hysteria doesn’t win elections, the country’s business remains undone, the Fourth Estate continues to play this game and gives Trump the power to bring us down. The opposition party offers only butt-hurt whining in response, devoid of leadership, we have self-fulfilled the paranoid ravings of the disgruntled and made the government the implement of our destruction. I won’t just sit here and watch this happen though, I’m going to go rearrange some deck chairs. Anti-Trump hysteria is not an election strategy, and the Democrats need to develop one. But that doesn’t mean we can’t have expectations and call people out when lines are crossed. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/43 "2017-07-02T22:17:18Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Behavior? No. Is it supposed to? By his own words, yes. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/44 "2017-07-02T22:20:10Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > CNN and other media sources are bleating that it is “incitement to violence” all over the place. Do you disagree? You are deflecting. We were talking about people in this thread, now you are talking about CNN. As CNN, or the media, I would take such a threat more seriously, as it is directed at them, not at me. I do not consider the clip as a general incitement to violence, but more of a threat to the media. His overall behavior and rhetoric I would say encourages violence amongst his followers, but this tweet was not that. It was just a threat, not an incitement. Just out of curiosity, do you understand anything about context? Would you consider a small child pointing his finger at you and saying “bang, bang” to be the same type of threat as a grown adult pointing a gun at your head, and saying “BANG! BANG!”? If you do not understand the difference, then I guess I can understand why you cannot tell the difference between the actions of a comedian that no one has cared about for decades and that of the president that you voted for. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/45 "2017-07-02T22:21:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Anti-Trump hysteria is not an election strategy, and the Democrats need to develop one. But that doesn’t mean we can’t have expectations and call people out when lines are crossed. Exactly. Calling him out this kind of over the top behavior is not hysteria. Nor is it an election strategy. We like this country as much as the republicans do and we are trying to do what’s best for it. Calling out dangerous actions is part of that. And it’s the proper thing to do. Trump shouldn’t be allowed to bully people with impunity. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/46 "2017-07-03T03:30:34Z")
Each incident should be noted, if not dwelt upon, so those who’ve chained their necks to the anvil-in-chief are forced to exercise their “yeah but what about” skills to the point of exhaustion until the last square inch of the floe melts away. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/47 "2017-07-03T03:36:33Z")
[How the Left Lost Its Mind](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/?utm_source=feed) Last month, Democratic Senator Ed Markey delivered what seemed like an explosive bit of news during an interview with CNN: A grand jury had been impaneled in New York, he said, to investigate the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia. The only problem: It wasn’t true. The precise origins of the rumor are difficult to pin down, but it had been ricocheting around social media for days before Markey’s interview. The story had no reliable sourcing, and not a single credible news outlet touched it—but it had been fervently championed by The Palmer Report, a liberal blog known for peddling conspiracy theories, and by anti-Trump Twitter crusaders like Louise Mensch. Soon enough, prominent people with blue checkmarks by their names were amplifying it with “Big if true”-type Tweets. And by May 11, the story had migrated from the bowels of the internet to the mouth of a United States senator. … In recent months, some of the most irresponsible actors in this world have proven alarmingly adept at influencing venerated figures of the left—from public intellectuals, to world-famous celebrities, to elected officials. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/48 "2017-07-03T03:50:01Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [How the Left Lost Its Mind](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/?utm_source=feed) > > Last month, Democratic Senator Ed Markey delivered what seemed like an explosive bit of news during an interview with CNN: A grand jury had been impaneled in New York, he said, to investigate the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia. > > The only problem: It wasn’t true. > > **The precise origins of the rumor are difficult to pin down** , but it had been ricocheting around social media for days before Markey’s interview. The story had no reliable sourcing, and not a single credible news outlet touched it—but it had been fervently championed by The Palmer Report, a liberal blog known for peddling conspiracy theories, and by anti-Trump Twitter crusaders like Louise Mensch. Soon enough, prominent people with blue checkmarks by their names were amplifying it with “Big if true”-type Tweets. And by May 11, the story had migrated from the bowels of the internet to the mouth of a United States senator. > … > In recent months, some of the most irresponsible actors in this world have proven alarmingly adept at influencing venerated figures of the left—from public intellectuals, to world-famous celebrities, to elected officials. So you don’t know where it came from. You’re relying on anonymous sources again. If this was already on social media, how could he deliver it? It’s already known. ETA: Way back in May. You’re behind again. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/49 "2017-07-03T03:55:24Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [How the Left Lost Its Mind](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/?utm_source=feed) > … > In recent months, some of the most irresponsible actors in this world have proven alarmingly adept at influencing venerated figures of the left—from public intellectuals, to world-famous celebrities, to elected officials. From your link. > [@](#): > > After Markey’s office apologized for spreading the unsubstantiated story, there was a mild flurry of articles warning of “fake news” aimed at the left, and then everyone moved on. But the episode jarringly illustrated an under-examined phenomenon in American politics. > > Over the past two decades, an immense amount of journalistic energy was spent exploring the right-wing media ecosystem—from talk radio, to Fox News, to Breitbart and beyond—and documenting its growing influence on mainstream GOP politics. This turned out to be a worthy and prescient pursuit, and if any doubt remains about that, I’d present “President Donald Trump” as Exhibit A. While serious Republicans in the political class spent years scoffing at the “entertainers” and “provocateurs” on the supposedly powerless fringe, the denizens of the fever swamp were busy taking over the party. So it’s a problem from the right also. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/50 "2017-07-03T04:23:30Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The irony is always wasted on him. Then again, so is the air that he breathes. “Irony” is how Trump describes his pressed dress shirts immediately after putting them on in the morning. “Ahhhh, nice and irony.” ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/51 "2017-07-03T11:21:05Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [How the Left Lost Its Mind](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/?utm_source=feed) > > Last month, Democratic Senator Ed Markey delivered what seemed like an explosive bit of news during an interview with CNN: A grand jury had been impaneled in New York, he said, to investigate the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia. > > The only problem: It wasn’t true. > > The precise origins of the rumor are difficult to pin down, but it had been ricocheting around social media for days before Markey’s interview. The story had no reliable sourcing, and not a single credible news outlet touched it—but it had been fervently championed by The Palmer Report, a liberal blog known for peddling conspiracy theories, and by anti-Trump Twitter crusaders like Louise Mensch. Soon enough, prominent people with blue checkmarks by their names were amplifying it with “Big if true”-type Tweets. And by May 11, the story had migrated from the bowels of the internet to the mouth of a United States senator. > … > In recent months, some of the most irresponsible actors in this world have proven alarmingly adept at influencing venerated figures of the left—from public intellectuals, to world-famous celebrities, to elected officials. Ok, you lost me. How does any of that refute that the tweet - which is the topic of this thread - is childish, irresponsible and bullying? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/52 "2017-07-03T14:10:31Z")
Thank you, **Okrahoma**. It is a troubling trend, and I’ve personally been very alarmed by the skyrocketing popularity and widespread influence of the Palmer Report and Louise Mensch on the Left ever since I first heard about them a few seconds ago when I read your post. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/53 "2017-07-03T14:30:01Z")
Well, that was like shitting your pants to avoid answering a hard question. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/54 "2017-07-03T14:41:59Z")
There is a video of the President of the United States, beating up the husband of one of his Cabinet members. Words I did not think I would ever write before 2016. The Trump administration is awesome dude. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/55 "2017-07-03T14:55:17Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Well, that was like shitting your pants to avoid answering a hard question. As a bonus, it’ll keep him from being drafted. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/56 "2017-07-03T14:59:08Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > BTW, all those people who think Trump’s tweet was “inciting violence”, did you also think that that New York play that showed someone assassinating a Trump figure was “inciting murder” as well? How about Kathy Griffin - was that a “joke” or “inciting murder”? > > And try to answer the question asked and not deflect to who was doing it. If you had ever seen the play, or knew how often popular figures are portrayed in that role, you would realize how stupid a question that is. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/57 "2017-07-03T15:49:57Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > BTW, all those people who think Trump’s tweet was “inciting violence”, did you also think that that New York play that showed someone assassinating a Trump figure was “inciting murder” as well? How about Kathy Griffin - was that a “joke” or “inciting murder”? > > And try to answer the question asked and not deflect to who was doing it. Were you aware that at least the last 5 presidents have also been cast as the Caesar character in productions of Julius Caesar over the last couple decades? Do you know what the play actually means? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/58 "2017-07-03T16:05:38Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > Were you aware that at least the last 5 presidents have also been cast as the Caesar character in productions of Julius Caesar over the last couple decades? Do you know what the play actually means? Yes. You’re mistaking me for someone who thinks that the play incited murder. I don’t think it did. And I don’t think Trump’s joke was inciting violence. But if someone thinks that Trump’s tweet “incited violence” then logically they have to admit that the play incited murder. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/59 "2017-07-03T16:14:09Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Yes. You’re mistaking me for someone who thinks that the play incited murder. I don’t think it did. And I don’t think Trump’s joke was inciting violence. But if someone thinks that Trump’s tweet “incited violence” then logically they have to admit that the play incited murder. That’s not how logic works. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361/60 "2017-07-03T16:15:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you had ever seen the play, or knew how often popular figures are portrayed in that role, you would realize how stupid a question that is. I think he probably believes Shakespeare is a left wing pundit on cnn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-punches-cnn/790361.md?page=4)