# Trump Really is Stupid
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [June 8, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266 "2020-06-08T20:27:51Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/1 "2020-06-08T20:27:51Z")
> **[He Is Even Dumber Than We Thought](https://newrepublic.com/article/158069/donald-trump-not-smart-polls?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tnr_daily)**
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> Four years in office have only convinced more Americans that the Trump might not be a stable genius.
As if this is news to anyone. Its just shocking how his colleagues view him.
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> After a National Security Council meeting on January 19, 2018, Defense Secretary James Mattis told aides that Trump had the understanding of “a fifth- or sixth-grader.”
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> Trump’s mental failings are also painfully clear to foreign diplomats, who are professionally obligated to be frank and clear-eyed about him. Among themselves, diplomats early on shared tips on meeting with Trump: Don’t assume he knows anything about your country, flatter his ego, and be mindful of his extremely short attention span. It often appeared to aides that Trump didn’t even understand that other countries are in different time zones. He quickly became a “laughing stock,” as one unnamed official put it, at international meetings, where diplomats mocked his ignorance and limited vocabulary.
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> German Chancellor Angela Merkel was despondent at the 2017 G7 meeting, where Trump showed no awareness of climate change and rejected international cooperation to deal with it. According to Der Spiegel, “His speech was a break from centuries of Enlightenment and rationality. The president presented his political statement as a nationalist manifesto of the most imbecilic variety. It couldn’t have been any worse. His speech was packed with make-believe numbers from controversial or disproven studies. It was hypocritical and dishonest.”
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> In July 2017, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson reportedly called Trump a “moron” for his bungling and incompetence. That same month, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster reportedly dismissed Trump as an “idiot” and a “dope” with the intelligence of a “kindergartner” at a private dinner. In 2018, White House chief of staff John Kelly called Trump “an idiot” on several occasions. A long list of other close Trump advisers have also disparaged his intelligence.
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> On October 8, 2017, Republican Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee tweeted: “It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center. Someone obviously missed their shift this morning.”
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/2 "2020-06-08T20:36:17Z")
The shockinger thing is how those around him support and cover for him. But yeah, your post isn’t wrong, the dude is a straight up dumbass.
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### Author:  [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/3 "2020-06-08T21:01:59Z")
And this is news to you how?
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### Author:  [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/4 "2020-06-08T21:06:18Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#):
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> And this is news to you how?
Because his portrayal always seemed to be somewhat cartoonish. Surely the real man couldnt be as dumb as depicted. But it turns out the truth is even worse, he is willfully ignorant, lazy and perhaps a tad mentally challenged. This man should not be allowed to be President. He is incapable of carrying out the duties of the job.
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/5 "2020-06-08T21:08:58Z")
Look at how old those quotes are. He’s surrounded by enablers who are using their posts corruptly. This is not new, but we welcome you to the fold.
Trump’s an idiot.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/6 "2020-06-08T21:15:29Z")
At least we have Sarah Cooper to illustrate his abject stupidity using not only his own words, but his own voicing of those words. She’s my new favorite, apologies to Randy Rainbow.
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCkWzr1o4EU)
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/7 "2020-06-08T21:31:06Z")
Has anyone notified the media about this?
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### Author:  [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/8 "2020-06-08T21:35:09Z")
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At least we have Sarah Cooper to illustrate his abject stupidity using not only his own words, but his own voicing of those words. She’s my new favorite, apologies to Randy Rainbow.
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Under normal circumstances, I cannot listen to the man speak without getting really stabby. But I could watch her all day lip-synching to his insane utterances. It makes me giggle bigly.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/9 "2020-06-08T21:54:40Z")
> [@madsircool](#):
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> Because his portrayal always seemed to be somewhat cartoonish. Surely the real man couldnt be as dumb as depicted. But it turns out the truth is even worse, he is willfully ignorant, lazy and perhaps a tad mentally challenged. This man should not be allowed to be President. He is incapable of carrying out the duties of the job.
The inner circle around this man have definitely hid his incompetence and stupidity. But even with that, we’ve heard how little he’s willing to read briefing papers or even to listen to someone giving him a briefing report. Perhaps in years to come, some of these people will write tell-all books about how bad it was.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/10 "2020-06-08T21:56:08Z")
> [@madsircool](#):
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> Because his portrayal always seemed to be somewhat cartoonish. Surely the real man couldnt be as dumb as depicted. But it turns out the truth is even worse, he is willfully ignorant, lazy and perhaps a tad mentally challenged. This man should not be allowed to be President. He is incapable of carrying out the duties of the job.
What you see in those quotes are the reactions of people who on their way to earn their real or figurative stars had to spend some time proving they knew what they were talking about. He did not.
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### Author:  [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/11 "2020-06-08T22:03:31Z")
> [@bobot](#):
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> The shockinger thing is how those around him support and cover for him. But yeah, your post isn’t wrong, the dude is a straight up dumbass.
Thisthisthisthisthisthisthis!!!
To me, the true criminals are the ones who covered up, minimized, ignored and otherwise gratuitously used his complete ineptitude for their own selfish agendas.
There may be one or two who deluded themselves that they were “guardrails,” but the hell with that.
True patriots would have worked together to push him out the door as fast as possible. It’s not like he wasn’t going to give them every opportunity – and he did.
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/12 "2020-06-08T22:50:53Z")
> [@madsircool](#):
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> Surely the real man couldnt be as dumb as depicted.
‘He’s not as dumb as you think.’
‘He _couldn’t_ be!’
😛
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### Author:  [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/13 "2020-06-09T00:31:35Z")
By the mid 80’s I knew Trump was dangerously stupid. It wasn’t long after that when he first appeared in his very first **[Doonesbury](https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/1987/09/14)** comic strip, accurately portrayed as a conman unfit for higher office.
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### Author:  [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/14 "2020-06-09T04:23:20Z")
If you remember, before the election there was an article in the New Yorker by the guy who wrote “The Art of the Deal.” Trump wasn’t dumb from hiring a ghost writer, he was dumb because he didn’t have the attention span required to sit and get interviewed, in other words to talk about himself. The writer had to follow him around.
I figure there are 3 types of Trump supporters. The corrupt ones, already mentioned. The racists who love having their racism enabled from the top. And then there are those even stupider than Trump is.
Most of these people would have made excellent Nazis in 1930s Germany.
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### Author:  [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/15 "2020-06-09T04:26:22Z")
As a poster I agree.
As a moderator I’m moving this to The Pit.
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### Author:  [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/16 "2020-06-09T17:48:22Z")
I fail to see how this is news to anybody, as I’ve known this since the 70s. Not just stupid, but absolutely repugnant.
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### Author:  [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/17 "2020-06-09T18:46:59Z")
Well, as this is now in the Pit, I will say that when I started a webpage for my drawings, I did not expect that Trump would end up taking over a vast majority of the space, but it was a page where I wanted to try to expose the nasty, cruel, despicable and stupid of modern society. And it happened naturally, he filled it all by himself. I loathe the man, but I have reached the conclusion that, try as I [may](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00090pricky~cunt.html), I cannot insult him. I can only describe him, paint him how he is (well, not even that, I do not come close). Insulting him would mean going beyond what he his. I am not capable of that.
I hope his [reign](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00082cuckoos~nest.html) is over soon, so I can get back to drawing normal despicable things. How the USA got into this SNAFU will some day surely be the subject of dozens of PhD-thesis on sociopathology.
I also hope this whole sorry affair does not pay for his enablers, and that Jared, Ivanka, Tweedle Pee and Tweedle Dumb Jr., Barr, Pence, Pompeous, Hope, Conway and all the others end up in jail for a really long time. I also hope he does end up in jail, but not necessarily for a very long time: just until he dies.
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### Author:  [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/18 "2020-06-09T18:57:06Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#):
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> Thisthisthisthisthisthisthis!!!
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> To me, the true criminals are the ones who covered up, minimized, ignored and otherwise gratuitously used his complete ineptitude for their own selfish agendas.
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> There may be one or two who deluded themselves that they were “guardrails,” but the hell with that.
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> True patriots would have worked together to push him out the door as fast as possible. It’s not like he wasn’t going to give them every opportunity – and he did.
[History will judge the complicit](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/trumps-collaborators/612250/)
Is an article in The Atlantic. Don’t know if it’s paywalled and it is quite long, but well worth the read.
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> Why have Republican leaders abandoned their principles in support of an immoral and dangerous president?
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> Or perhaps the only antidote is time. In due course, historians will write the story of our era and draw lessons from it, just as we write the history of the 1930s, or of the 1940s. The Miłoszes and the Hoffmanns of the future will make their judgments with the clarity of hindsight. They will see, more clearly than we can, the path that led the U.S. into a historic loss of international influence, into economic catastrophe, into political chaos of a kind we haven’t experienced since the years leading up to the Civil War. Then maybe Graham—along with Pence, Pompeo, McConnell, and a whole host of lesser figures—will understand what he has enabled.
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### Author:  [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/19 "2020-06-09T21:19:38Z")
I’m expecting soooooo many books and interviews with former WH staff talking about his stupidity after he’s out of there. I think that’s their plan. A staffer may look like an idiot for playing along with the doofus, but hey, the book will make them rich, so at least they’ll have that.
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### Author:  [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-really-is-stupid/855266/20 "2020-06-09T21:42:10Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#):
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> [History will judge the complicit](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/trumps-collaborators/612250/)
> Is an article in The Atlantic. Don’t know if it’s paywalled and it is quite long, but well worth the read.
That was excellent. Thanks for posting the link.
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