# Trump releases argument that the 2020 election was stolen **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 3, 2024, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548 "2024-01-03T12:53:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/21 "2024-01-03T19:58:51Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I bet he just gave the assignment to some underling, and that’s what they came back with. Trump, being incapable of understanding it, probably just released it unread. Probably just like how he managed to pass in college. And high school. And kindergarten. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/22 "2024-01-03T20:01:06Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > As pathetic as this effort is, I’m actually surprised he bothered to deliver something he promised months ago. Most of his promises along these lines go unfulfilled entirely. > > I bet he just gave the assignment to some underling, and that’s what they came back with. Trump, being incapable of understanding it, probably just released it unread. Oh, I never imagined for a moment that he compiled this himself. But I’m even surprised that he had the initiative to get an underling to do it. Usually he just promises that he has some major breakthrough coming and never delivers anything, ever. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/23 "2024-01-03T20:11:34Z")
[Electoral-vote.com](http://Electoral-vote.com) had a take on it, which was not much different than the take in this thread. [Electoral-vote.com](https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2024/Items/Jan03-1.html) > [@](#): > > Beyond that, the document is a tissue of falsehoods, misrepresentations and verbal trickery. To take one example, the document notes: > > > [@](#): > > > > The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled drop boxes are illegal under Wisconsin law, in a 4-3 decision issued in July 2022. > > This is a true statement. Thereafter, there is a long list of statements that speak to how many ballots were cast by drop box in the presidential election. These statements, as far as we know, are also true. Trump, or whoever put the document together on his behalf, is counting on people not to notice that an election conducted in 2020 is, of course, not bound by legal rulings that were more than 2 years in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/24 "2024-01-03T20:42:12Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > This is following in his way of Say It At A Press Conference, But Never In A Courtroom. I am not a Trumper. Nor do I know any personally. Not that admit it openly at least. But I’d wager that if you pointed out this cowardice, this hypocrisy, this insincerity, if you brought up this point to a Trumper, they’d say that it’s because the courts are crooked and another tool that the Left/Deep State uses to persecute him. The courts. Where everything is on the record. Where you’re entitled by law to defend yourself. Where evidence is carefully analyzed. Where either an impartial jury or a nonpartisan judge makes a ruling. That’s where the bias is. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/25 "2024-01-03T20:50:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The courts. Where everything is on the record. Where you’re entitled by law to defend yourself. Where evidence is carefully analyzed. Where either an impartial jury or a nonpartisan judge makes a ruling. That’s where the bias is. Well, yeah. If someone or some thing (like facts, or reality) goes against His Majesty, it must be biased. Facts have always been left-leaning. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/26 "2024-01-03T20:56:13Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The courts. Where everything is on the record. Where you’re entitled by law to defend yourself. Where evidence is carefully analyzed. Where either an impartial jury or a nonpartisan judge makes a ruling. Where half the judges were appointed by Republicans, and many by Trump himself. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/27 "2024-01-03T21:01:09Z")
I’m really saddened to know that The Deep StateTM finally got to @Atamasama 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/28 "2024-01-03T21:09:40Z")
LOL, I’m technically part of government so I guess I **am** the Deep State. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/29 "2024-01-03T21:29:04Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Usually he just promises that he has some major breakthrough coming and never delivers anything, ever. This release goes along with his claim that the January 6 Committee destroyed all the evidence that the election was stolen. Therefore, he can’t be properly defended in the Election Interference case. (In reality Jack Smith is working to keep him from bringing this bullshit into the trial.) So, in his quest for jury nullification, he released this. Here’s the proof America, the truth is being covered up, decide for yourselves. > [@Trump](#): > > Why did American Disaster Liz Cheney, who suffers from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), and was defeated for Congress by the largest margin for a sitting Congressman or Congresswoman in the history of our Country, ILLEGALLY DELETE & DESTROY most of the evidence, and related items, from the January 6th Committee of Political Thugs and Misfits. THIS ACT OF EXTREME SABOTAGE MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR MY LAWYERS TO PROPERLY PREPARE FOR, AND PRESENT, A PROPER DEFENSE OF THEIR CLIENT, ME. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/30 "2024-01-03T21:29:40Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > > [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > > > As pathetic as this effort is, I’m actually surprised he bothered to deliver something he promised months ago. Most of his promises along these lines go unfulfilled entirely. > > > > I bet he just gave the assignment to some underling, and that’s what they came back with. Trump, being incapable of understanding it, probably just released it unread. > > Oh, I never imagined for a moment that he compiled this himself. But I’m even surprised that he had the initiative to get an underling to do it. Usually he just promises that he has some major breakthrough coming and never delivers anything, ever. Yeah, but… This is necessary for the ongoing grift. Nevermind that it’s a weak re-hash of obvious half-truths and discredited theories, to the TRUE BELIEVER, it’s proof. It’s another document that can be pointed to and linked to and forwarded and used to keep the TRUE BELIEVERS truly believing. TRUE BELIEVER - you know, people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons. Or, as Hillary said, deplorables. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/31 "2024-01-03T21:37:43Z")
> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > there is no mention of it in any news outlet. In the case of the NYT, they’ve thoroughly debunked everything and probably saw no reason to give this idiot more space in their paper. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/32 "2024-01-03T21:46:55Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > [Electoral-vote.com](http://Electoral-vote.com) had a take on it, which was not much different than the take in this thread. > [Electoral-vote.com](https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2024/Items/Jan03-1.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > Beyond that, the document is a tissue of falsehoods, misrepresentations and verbal trickery. To take one example, the document notes: > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled drop boxes are illegal under Wisconsin law, in a 4-3 decision issued in July 2022. > > > > This is a true statement. Thereafter, there is a long list of statements that speak to how many ballots were cast by drop box in the presidential election. These statements, as far as we know, are also true. Trump, or whoever put the document together on his behalf, is counting on people not to notice that an election conducted in 2020 is, of course, not bound by legal rulings that were more than 2 years in the future. Hate to disagree with the interpretation, but… Yes, in 2022, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled drop boxes are illegal. The stats following show how drop boxes were used in the 2020 election and how they could have been abused. It’s not saying that the drop boxes were illegal in 2020, it’s saying that they should have been. This is not proof that they were abused, but they show circumstantial evidence that they were. The creator of the report is obviously biased, for example: > [@](#): > > The election integrity group True the Vote identified 107 ballot traffickers in Milwaukee County between Oct. 20 and Nov. 3, 2020, who each made 20 or more visits to drop boxes. Each trafficker made an average 26 visits, and as many as 15 in one day, and made multiple visits to non-governmental > organizations. calling them "trafficker " is loaded language, and how do they know that they made “multiple visits to non-governmental organizations”? Especially since the article footnoted said that video was unavailable. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/33 "2024-01-03T21:57:19Z")
Question, if the Dems are so good at fixing elections, then why do we have a GOP controlled Congress? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/34 "2024-01-03T22:15:45Z")
The evidence is cell phone data. So if you work in the vicinity of the drop box, and pass by it on your way to and from work, you probably would be counted as making 26 “visits” to the drop box during the 13 day period in question. Even if you never dropped anything in the box. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/35 "2024-01-03T22:29:05Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > calling them "trafficker " is loaded language, and how do they know that they made “multiple visits to non-governmental organizations”? Why, just today, I went to my job at a private school, and then stopped by Staples and the bank on the way home, and then came back to my apartment. That’s, by my count, four visits to non-governmental organizations, at least. Which illustrates, of course, why “visits to non-governmental organizations” is completely meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/36 "2024-01-03T23:48:37Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > In the case of the NYT, they’ve thoroughly debunked everything and probably saw no reason to give this idiot more space in their paper. It’s just like… [![](https://i.imgur.com/xUCvLaO_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand) ](https://i.imgur.com/xUCvLaO_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/37 "2024-01-04T01:20:23Z")
If the Democrats hadn’t fixed the elections, the Republicans would have won all of them by from 117% to as high as 124%. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/38 "2024-01-04T05:29:10Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > This release goes along with his claim that the January 6 Committee destroyed all the evidence that the election was stolen. Therefore, he can’t be properly defended in the Election Interference case. I’d be curious for any explanation Trump might care to offer as to how exactly the dog ate his homework here. So there was one single copy of “the evidence” that was going to exonerate Trump but that evil secret-Democrat Liz Cheney somehow got her hands on _all of it_ and made it disappear? Is that what happened now? It’s like an episode of _24_, set in the universe of _Idiocracy_. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/39 "2024-01-04T06:43:28Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I’d be curious for any explanation Trump might care to offer as to how exactly the dog ate his homework here. The easy response to Trump’s claim is to tell him that he’s making a serious accusation and that he’d better have evidence of it that he can bring to court. Otherwise that is defamation. And he definitely knows what that is at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548/40 "2024-01-04T15:37:31Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Otherwise that is defamation. And he definitely knows what that is at this point. Yes, but he still has no concept of the _consequences_ of defamation. As far as Trump is concerned, the consequences merely mean he has to send out another fundraising letter, and then stall the payment of his fines as long as possible so he can pocket the cash. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-releases-argument-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen/995548.md?page=3)