# Trump reveals secret information **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 15, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692 "2017-05-15T21:26:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/61 "2017-05-16T16:32:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > There’s no way of knowing how much planning went into the decision to talk with the Russians. > > Absolutely, it could have been Trump’s big unfiltered, mouth. > > Or it may have been a calculated decision to build an alliance. That’s the problem with leaks. You only get part of the story. The Intelligence community isn’t going to step forward and clarify anything. > > I\*\*t hasn’t been that long since Bush had a good relationship with Russia. \*\*It deteriorated badly under Obama. There’s no winners if the cold war gets even hotter. It’s time to mend the relationship between our countries. [Really?](https://www.jstor.org/stable/25469833?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents) > [@](#): > > Compared to the first decade after the collapse of communism and the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Russian-American relations have been tense since the turn of the century. This is usually attributed to an increasing belligerence on the part of the Putin leadership ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/62 "2017-05-16T16:42:02Z")
Bush had a pet name for Putin, Pootie-Poot. They seemed to be pretty close. > **[Bush's love of Pootie-Poot Putin](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/20/russia.usa)** > > At a historic summit in Moscow this week, President George Bush will mark what he claims is the final putting to rest of the cold war, by shaking hands with his new best friend, Pootie-Poot. IIRC Putin visited him at the Crawford ranch. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/63 "2017-05-16T16:45:22Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Nothing saying the Russians didn’t leak this either. Why not? They still get the sources identity and get to take another dump in Trump. Since their goal is to destabilize this country, this seems like the best guess so far to me. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/64 "2017-05-16T16:51:13Z")
Was the meeting recorded? I don’t mean secretly by Trump as in his threat to Comey (since if that was the case, I’d be astounded if the recording held anything that would harm Trump and not have been already destroyed). Was there an official recording? I’ve read in a couple of places (I could dig out a cite if need be) that staffers were instructed to omit the exchange about the classified info from the official transcript of the meeting. I’m pretty sure the transcript is from the notes of attendees, but it’s worth asking if it’s from a recording. More to the point, did the Russians record the meeting? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/65 "2017-05-16T16:59:54Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Was the meeting recorded? I don’t mean secretly by Trump as in his threat to Comey (since if that was the case, I’d be astounded if the recording held anything that would harm Trump and not have been already destroyed). Was there an official recording? > > I’ve read in a couple of places (I could dig out a cite if need be) that staffers were instructed to omit the exchange about the classified info from the official transcript of the meeting. I’m pretty sure the transcript is from the notes of attendees, but it’s worth asking if it’s from a recording. > > More to the point, did the Russians record the meeting? Do you mean secretly…like they photographed the _last_ meeting? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/66 "2017-05-16T17:00:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > There’s no way of knowing how much planning went into the decision to talk with the Russians. Oops, looks like you’ll need to find a new talking point since McMaster just admitted that no planning went into it (as was obvious to all from the facts). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/67 "2017-05-16T17:04:01Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But at least that wasn’t classified. Once the bombs start falling, it’s pretty hard to keep secret. [http://doonesbury.washingtonpost.com/strip/archive/1973/11/10](http://doonesbury.washingtonpost.com/strip/archive/1973/11/10) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/68 "2017-05-16T17:43:55Z")
NYTimes reporting it was Israel who gave the US the information. > **[Israel Said to Be Source of Secret Intelligence Trump Gave to Russians...](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/world/middleeast/israel-trump-classified-intelligence-russia.html?referer=https:%2F%2Ft.co%2FuRMUSthcSR%3famp=1)** > > The revelation adds a potential diplomatic complication to an episode that has renewed questions about how the White House handles sensitive intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/69 "2017-05-16T17:47:07Z")
…so probably bullshit information, like most Israeli “Intelligence” in the area since 1982. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/70 "2017-05-16T18:26:23Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > …so probably bullshit information, like most Israeli “Intelligence” in the area since 1982. Give me a fucking break. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/71 "2017-05-16T18:44:26Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Give me a fucking break. Lebanon '82? Lebanon '2006 Anything to do do with Hizbullah Iraqi moves in 1990 Rise of Al Qaeda Rise of ISIS The Arab Spring Hamas’s rise Syrian civil war start Iranian nuclear policy. Your ire as a taxpayer should be at your intel agencies for consistently missing these events, not me. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/72 "2017-05-16T19:05:52Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > When we saw those photos, my wife (who pays more attention to expressions and body language than I) said that was the most sincere smile she had seen on his face since he took office. > > I’m hoping continued examples of this sort of thing might be viewed as “disloyalty” sufficient to turn off enough of the ignorant mouthbreathers who thought it a good idea to have a blowhard TV personality as president. > > Saw something in the paper recently, where Trump referred to himself as having becoming a total TV news junkie since becoming president. Sure, why rely on the actual intelligence sources you have unique access to, when you can simply swallow someone’s simplified spin? :smack: I pay a lot of attention to expressions and body language too and I haven’t once seen Trump giving a sincere smile ! His smiles are ‘fake’! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/73 "2017-05-16T19:08:49Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Lebanon '82? > Lebanon '2006 > Anything to do do with Hizbullah > Iraqi moves in 1990 > Rise of Al Qaeda > Rise of ISIS > The Arab Spring > Hamas’s rise > Syrian civil war start > Iranian nuclear policy. > Your ire as a taxpayer should be at your intel agencies for consistently missing these events, not me. Who says they missed any of them? Because they didn’t blab about it to the press? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/74 "2017-05-16T19:15:40Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Who says they missed any of them? Because they didn’t blab about it to the press? If they didn’t tell putin, it didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/75 "2017-05-16T19:22:05Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Who says they missed any of them? Because they didn’t blab about it to the press? Considering that Israel was caught flat-footed by all of them, yeah either they missed them or the Israeli Government ignored what they said. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/76 "2017-05-16T22:06:48Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > NYTimes reporting it was Israel who gave the US the information. > > [https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/world/middleeast/israel-trump-classified-intelligence-russia.html?referer=https://t.co/uRMUSthcSR?amp=1](https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/world/middleeast/israel-trump-classified-intelligence-russia.html?referer=https://t.co/uRMUSthcSR?amp=1) This is exactly what US intel agents were warning Israel about in January. Back then US agents warned Israel not to share confidential info with Trump, because he’d probably share it with Russia, who may pass it on to Iran. > **[U.S. intelligence officials reportedly warn Israeli counterparts against...](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-05-16/ty-article/u-s-intel-warned-israelis-against-sharing-info-with-trump-admin/0000017f-f0b2-d487-abff-f3fec03a0000)** > > Shared information could be leaked to Russia and onward to Iran, American officials implied to Israelis in closed meeting, saying Kremlin has 'leverages of pressure' over Trump, Ronen Bergman reports. Basically, some US intel agents fear Trump will proxy spy for Iran. How the fuck did 63 million Americans think this guy was qualified to be president. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/77 "2017-05-16T22:15:50Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > How the fuck did 63 million Americans think this guy was qualified to be president. Did you see the alternative? The people are fucked, why not blow the whole game up. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/78 "2017-05-16T23:13:35Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > How the fuck did 63 million Americans think this guy was qualified to be president. He spoke in language they understood about the people they hate. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/79 "2017-05-17T00:09:27Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Did you see the alternative? > > The people are fucked, why not blow the whole game up. Sure the alternatives where not that good. But 63 million people don’t recognize a rattle snake when they see it. Even when it’s rattling. Those that want to ‘blow the whole game up’ are going to find the explosives in their underwear. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692/80 "2017-05-17T01:39:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m much more concerned how quickly this leaked. Sure. Let’s see. The President excluded American news agencies from the Oval Office, while letting in Tass, the Russian government news agency. Here’s a tip: if you want to make a secret disclosure to another country, you do it in, you know, secret. You don’t do it when there are media folks in the room, with their equipment to record it. Trump is apparently okay with the Russian media having full access to him telling secrets to the Russians. It’s just those untrustworthy American journalists that he doesn’t want in the know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-reveals-secret-information/786692.md?page=5)