# Trump scandal and corruption omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 13, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880 "2016-11-13T18:58:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/101 "2016-11-15T20:27:34Z")
[“Pro-military” Trump didn’t bother attending any Veteran’s Day ceremonies.](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/donald-i-love-veterans-trump-didnt-attend) ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/102 "2016-11-15T20:30:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ok. > > But you, and all other readers, are now clear that while the vast majority of laws DO apply to the President, the conflict of interest law definitely does not. > > Yes? > > I ask because despite all this discussion, BAB again says: See the quote. It’s very clear. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/103 "2016-11-15T21:02:11Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > [“Pro-military” Trump didn’t bother attending any Veteran’s Day ceremonies.](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/donald-i-love-veterans-trump-didnt-attend) Damn it, now I have to watch my Facebook feed fill up with memes from my conservative friends, blasting Trump for not respecting our troops. Just like every time Obama skipped a Veterans Day or Memorial Day commemoration. Man, those conservative friends of mine, if there’s one thing they can’s stand, it’s a President who fails to genuflect before the military. Yep, I should be seeing the outrage any minute now. I’m sure my friends are just very busy at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/104 "2016-11-15T21:11:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ok. > > But you, and all other readers, are now clear that while the vast majority of laws DO apply to the President, the conflict of interest law definitely does not. > > Yes? > > I ask because despite all this discussion, BAB again says: Let’s say you are over at a friends house, and it is getting toward dinner. Their kid pipes up and says “I want ice cream for dinner!” and the parent says, “Okay, there is no rule against having ice cream for dinner.” Now, in this situation, would it be appropriate to say “Man, that kid can do whatever he wants.”? Or would you pipe up and say, “No, he can’t do anything he wants, he can just have ice cream for dinner.” Like I said, the issue is not specifically over this one law that the president is exempt from, (and he will likely exploit to make crap tons of money off of your tax dollar), but that every loophole that can be found will be found and exploited for his and his friends personal gain. Now, can you tell me that this is the only law that nearly everyone else in government is subject to to prevent exactly this sort of thing from happening is the only law that Trump will be able to abridge? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/105 "2016-11-15T21:36:46Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > See the quote. It’s very clear. The only thing becoming clear with respect to your posts is that you are deliberately distorting what was written and said. See [Post #100](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19783910&postcount=100). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/106 "2016-11-15T21:40:51Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Like I said, the issue is not specifically over this one law that the president is exempt from, (and he will likely exploit to make crap tons of money off of your tax dollar), but that every loophole that can be found will be found and exploited for his and his friends personal gain. That might be your issue, but Mr. Guiliani’s statement was only with respect to actions taken in a war zone. Claiming or implying that they are more far-reaching than that, as **BAB** has done, are not supported by Mr. Giuliani’s words nor by the laws of our country. A person can find that they have less credibility after making specious claims. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/107 "2016-11-15T21:54:09Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That might be your issue, but Mr. Guiliani’s statement was only with respect to actions taken in a war zone. Claiming or implying that they are more far-reaching than that, as **BAB** has done, are not supported by Mr. Giuliani’s words nor by the laws of our country. > > A person can find that they have less credibility after making specious claims. I was actually talking about the first bit, with the likely nepotism given for construction deals. But yeah, there is already another example of guliani giving him full steam ahead on his agenda. Will guliani be able to make everything trump wants to do legal? Maybe not, but I am sure they will try. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/108 "2016-11-15T21:57:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I was actually talking about the first bit, with the likely nepotism given for construction deals. > > But yeah, there is already another example of guliani giving him full steam ahead on his agenda. > > Will guliani be able to make everything trump wants to do legal? Maybe not, but I am sure they will try. I apologize for conflating what you wrote with what **BAB** wrote. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Neo-Calredic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/96bed5/32.png) [@Neo-Calredic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neo-Calredic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/109 "2016-11-15T22:00:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is _not_ half the country! It isn’t even half the _voters_, though it didn’t miss by much. What happens when the I Don’t Give A Shit American wakes up? Dunno, but we are likely to find out. We live in interesting times. Dammit. I wish I believed that will happen, but all I’ve seen in the last eight years is most of the same idiots who voted for Bush blame Obama for everything Bush/Cheney/et al inflicted on them. Why should this be any different? All Trump & co. have to do for the next 4-8 years is say “If it wasn’t for the disaster the Obama years left for us to clean up, [insert bullshit here].” Most of those who bought his spiel are certainly dumb enough to believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/110 "2016-11-15T22:00:56Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > [“Pro-military” Trump didn’t bother attending any Veteran’s Day ceremonies.](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/donald-i-love-veterans-trump-didnt-attend) Now that is something that I think it is valid to make hay out of. Is anyone doing so on Facebook or Instachat or Snapgram or any of teh other intertubes? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/111 "2016-11-15T22:05:07Z")
Actually, it’s not even a matter of whether Trump is pro-military. It’s customary for the President of whatever party to participate in such ceremonies. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/112 "2016-11-15T22:14:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Actually, it’s not even a matter of whether Trump is pro-military. It’s customary for the President of whatever party to participate in such ceremonies. Sure. Is it customary for a president-elect? Next year as president if he stays home it would be a big deal. By this time next year if he hasn’t been kicking the ass of the VA it will be a big deal. Now? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/113 "2016-11-15T22:21:04Z")
I would think a president-elect would recognize that it doesn’t look good to ignore the event. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/114 "2016-11-15T22:29:46Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I would think a president-elect would recognize that it doesn’t look good to ignore the event. What event? Is there a specific event that a president-elect is supposed to go to? The go to event for the president is to lay a wreath at Arlington. There was already a president doing that it would have been a bit crowded. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/115 "2016-11-15T22:33:28Z")
You’re right, but Trump could have gone to another cemetery. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/116 "2016-11-15T22:42:29Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > You’re right, but Trump could have gone to another cemetery. I can see a good argument that doing so would have been seen as an attempt to upstage President Obama. Still, I see no reason for Mr. Trump’s detractors not to use what they have at hand, rather than wait for some other (still potential) incident. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/117 "2016-11-15T22:43:31Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Sure. Is it customary for a president-elect? Next year as president if he stays home it would be a big deal. By this time next year if he hasn’t been kicking the ass of the VA it will be a big deal. Now? Not so much. I had to look it up, but Obama \*did \*attend the ceremony [in 2008 when he was President-Elect](http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-11-11-2873054939_x.htm). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/118 "2016-11-15T22:49:17Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > I had to look it up, but Obama \*did \*attend the ceremony [in 2008 when he was President-Elect](http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-11-11-2873054939_x.htm). Well, that explains why Trump avoided showing respect to veterans Friday. If Obama did it, it must have been wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/119 "2016-11-15T22:49:29Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I can see a good argument that doing so would have been seen as an attempt to upstage President Obama. > > Still, I see no reason for Mr. Trump’s detractors not to use what they have at hand, rather than wait for some other (still potential) incident. That’s the thing about being president, president-elect or even just a candidate. _Everything_ you say and do is scrutinized and criticized. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/120 "2016-11-15T22:51:16Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s the thing about being president, president-elect or even just a candidate. _Everything_ you say and do is scrutinized and criticized. I see Trump’s first Executive Order. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880.md?page=7)