# Trump scandal and corruption omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 13, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880 "2016-11-13T18:58:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/121 "2016-11-15T23:03:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I would think a president-elect would recognize that it doesn’t look good to ignore the event. Which is why I think his failure to attend is merely confirmation that he was as shocked as the rest of us that he actually won. He figured he’d be laying low after the election, sending out tweets about the rigged results from under his bed covers. It’s the same reason that he is completely fumbling the transition; he had no post election plans . ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/122 "2016-11-16T00:08:33Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > I had to look it up, but Obama \*did \*attend the ceremony [in 2008 when he was President-Elect](http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-11-11-2873054939_x.htm). It’s not fair to compare Trump to Obama. Few can live up to that standard. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/123 "2016-11-16T00:24:18Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > [“Pro-military” Trump didn’t bother attending any Veteran’s Day ceremonies.](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/11/donald-i-love-veterans-trump-didnt-attend) I would not be at all surprised to hear that Trump had never attended any kind of ceremony on Veteran’s Day in his life. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/124 "2016-11-16T00:24:31Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > It’s not fair to compare Trump to Obama. Few can live up to that standard. I won’t comment on whether or not it’s fair, but I will say that I think it’s appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/125 "2016-11-16T16:06:20Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I would not be at all surprised to hear that Trump had never attended any kind of ceremony on Veteran’s Day in his life. Ever. He prefers hero’s who don’t get killed. Losers! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/126 "2016-11-16T16:51:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I would not be at all surprised to hear that Trump had never attended any kind of ceremony on Veteran’s Day in his life. Ever. Doesn’t he show up at random awards ceremonies, take credit, eat some food, then leave? Or is that just charity events? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/127 "2016-11-16T17:24:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, you are saying that because you don’t think he can enrich himself by 3 orders of magnitude, he won’t enrich himself to a lesser, but still fairly significant extent? Considering that the highway spending that is needed to fix everything is well into the trillions, it would not be that hard to skim off a pretty sizable chunk to his cronies and subsidiaries. Given the way that Trump has felt justified in gaming the system and leveraging his power in the past I have no doubt that he will do so now. To the winner goes the spoils. This is particularly clear when he has said that the “blind trust” that he will entrust his businesses to will be his kids, the same kids that he wants to give security clearances to so they can advise best advise him. Chances are that there will be corruption on a level that will make the graft of teapot dome look like an actual teapot. All perfectly fine and legal according to the Guliani/Bricker analysis, and according to Republicans no where near as high level of treason, bribery and high crimes as lying about a blowjob. However, This is actually the least of my worries. Chances are over his presidency he will be able to bundle away maybe an additional 20-30 billion for himself and his family. But in a budget of nearly 4 trillion, this is a rounding error. The safety security and solvency of the US will not be affected no matter how much Trump makes off with. His other possible actions as POTUS are far more worrying. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/128 "2016-11-16T18:09:14Z")
**Bricker** , I’m going to go through your post sentence by sentence and help you understand what a nasty unhelpful turd you are. > [@Bricker](#): > > That exact point was made by Giuliani in the tweet that the OP quoted. Yes, the interesting question is: Is Giuliani correct? Can our soon-to-be President do whatever he wants ethics-wise? Can he use his power to enrich The Trump Organization and his other rich supporters? Can he turn the keys to our national security over to his friends in the Kremlin? Obviously impeachment would be an option in saner days, but not for this Congress. Is it true that we are helpless against the new Sociopath-in-Chief? This is a question where it might be useful if SDMB had a lawyer on duty to help us. But no, not our little **Brickhead**. Why would he want to make himself useful when he can be an asshole instead? > [@Bricker](#): > > The OP took those words and characterized them as “Giuliani thinks Trump is allowed to do anything.” Hyperbole or not? I don’t know — and like most sane Americans, _ **I don’t care** _. It’s not as though OP is applying for the position of Attorney General, or even pretending to be a lawyer. But there goes our little **Bricker** , like a hunting hound mistaking a dormouse for the fox. \*\*Brickbutt \*\*doesn’t care about the crimes of Trump, nor the fact that a contemptible turd like Giuliani is now going to be in the news everyday. (Is it decided? Is this horrid man going to be Sec’y of State? Or just Att’y General?) No, Bricker just wants to nitpick on a poor “liberal” poster. Did she misplace a comma also? Why not write an essay about that? > [@Bricker](#): > > And then you excoriate me, for my supposed need to “show people up,” and say little about the OP who authored the bad summary, and the implicit suggestion that Giuliani is wrong about the laws. “Supposed” need? 🙂 LOL. Why, we didn’t know you had a sense of humor, **Brickbrain**! > [@Bricker](#): > > And of course, the crowd follows. Bricker is a nitpicker! Never mind the factual errors, let’s all get the guy who points out the errors! So now it’s all about you. We come here, not for concern about America, nor in worry about future Trump crimes, but just to gang up on you. Well then … _ **Count me in!!** _ > [@Bricker](#): > > But the SDMB is not an echo chamber. We like all sorts of different liberal views here! The SDMB is inhabited by well-informed intellectuals, so it’s no surprise 90% will be “liberal.” You’re probably the most intelligent right-winger on the Board, and many of us do look to you for intelligent contrarian thinking. Instead you give us posts like this. What a joke. And please whine and whinge and ask if I’m mocking you. Of course I’m mocking you, moron! You have been disrespectful to me over and over and I respond in kind. If I saw something in you worthy of respect I might change my tune … but it looks like it will be a long wait for that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/129 "2016-11-16T18:13:20Z")
He’s just looking for a reasonable compromise, a way to not support Trump and stick his thumb in our eye at the same time. I have every confidence that he will manage it. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/130 "2016-11-16T19:54:28Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And we’re all near the edge here due to Trump winning. That’s because you people are retarded. And no. Not all of us are retarded like you. Some of us actually use are brains. > [@](#): > > I mean, I yelled at my mom on election day and said some absolutely horrible things. I hurt maybe the one person I am closest to in this world over this goddamn fucking election. That’s because you’re an asshole who puts politics over **your own fucking mother** you retarded asshole. My mom could vote for who every the fuck she wanted and I wouldn’t yell at her. But I guess in your retarded brain it’s **POLITICS UBER ALLES!!!** I used to think you were just annoying with almost every single one of your post being a whiny bitch lecture. Now you admit you’re just a terrible person. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/131 "2016-11-16T20:20:53Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > That’s because you people are retarded. And no. Not all of us are retarded like you. Some of us actually use are brains. Sorry, just wanted to see that again. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/132 "2016-11-16T22:51:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Doesn’t he show up at random awards ceremonies, take credit, eat some food, then leave? Or is that just charity events? Charity events. He shows up, steals the money, and bails. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/133 "2016-11-16T23:00:06Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > At present, only two countries, Angola and Liberia, have the president’s family in the government. Trump wants to make the USA the third. He has asked that his three oldest children be given the highest level security clearance. They will be running his business and at the same time participating in government. Well, he wouldn’t be the first, Jack Kennedy had his brother as AG; after which it was made illegal. However, various 19th century presidents, maybe the Adamses, may have included family in government appointments. When advisors and appointments were murkier waters Jefferson’s private secretary and confidant was his grandson-in-law, Nicholas [Trist](http://www.americanheritage.com/content/thankless-task-nicholas-trist?page=show) ( also secretary to Jackson ) Jefferson and Trist were soulmates, sharing a deep hatred of England and a tremendous love for negro slavery. A combination that came in handy when Trist became Consul to Havana, and was able to bugger up the British war on slave-trading by juggling with American, Portuguese and Cuban ( Spanish ) papers. \* - The Spanish and thus the Cubans were reluctantly bound by the Mutual Right to Search the Brits used as their main weapon; America would never agree to that implement as a matter of freedom, so American papers allowed Cuban black-birders to carry as many Africans as they could safe from search. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/134 "2016-11-17T00:04:55Z")
[Trumps Using Office to Promote Products || Rachel Maddow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1NSX1BDq0Q) Advertising the new first family’s QVC jewelry line. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/135 "2016-11-18T20:37:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ire, me hearties, ire! Ire! You rang? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/136 "2016-11-18T21:29:48Z")
Is it a scandal if Mr. Trump tries to take credit for preventing something that wasn’t going to happen?[ > [@](#): > > President-elect Donald Trump claimed Thursday that he convinced the chairman of Ford Motor Co. not to move an assembly plant from Kentucky to Mexico. But Ford never intended to move the plant, just production of one of the vehicles it makes. > > Trump said in a tweet that Bill Ford, the company’s executive chairman, telephoned him with the news that a “Lincoln plant” would stay in Louisville. Instead Ford decided to keep production of the Lincoln MKC small SUV at the Louisville Assembly Plant. Ford had previously said it would move production of the MKC out of the plant in order to build more Ford Escapes there. > > A factory in Cuautitlan, Mexico, was likely to get the MKC. Under a contract negotiated last year with the United Auto Workers, Ford agreed to invest $700 million in the Louisville plant in return for moving production of the MKC. Because Escape production would increase, no Louisville jobs would be lost. > > It’s possible the decision to keep the MKC in Kentucky was made before the election, because Escape sales have been falling since July and additional production capacity in Louisville may not be needed. > > On Friday, Ford would say only that the MKC decision was “recent,” but spokeswoman Christin Baker wouldn’t say exactly when it was made or whether Trump directly influenced it. ]([http://elections.ap.org/content/trump-claims-save-auto-plant-it-wasnt-closing](http://elections.ap.org/content/trump-claims-save-auto-plant-it-wasnt-closing)) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/137 "2016-11-18T21:34:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Is it a scandal if Mr. Trump tries to take credit for preventing something that wasn’t going to happen?[url=[http://elections.ap.org/content/trump-claims-save-auto-plant-it-wasnt-closing](http://elections.ap.org/content/trump-claims-save-auto-plant-it-wasnt-closing)] No, it’s business as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/138 "2016-11-18T21:39:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No, it’s business as usual. If the two are mutually exclusive, there’s not gonna be a lot to post in this thread that isn’t about corruption. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/139 "2016-11-18T21:43:39Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Some of us actually use are brains. Jesus, you fucking people. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880/140 "2016-11-18T21:59:46Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > If the two are mutually exclusive, there’s not gonna be a lot to post in this thread that isn’t about corruption. I expect the parts of his administration that are not corruption will be part suppression and part incompetence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-scandal-and-corruption-omnibus-thread/771880.md?page=8)