# Trump signs "Make one reg, you gotta dump 2" executive order. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 30, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610 "2017-01-30T21:09:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/1 "2017-01-30T21:09:49Z")
[Link to story and full version of the executive order.](https://consumerist.com/2017/01/30/trump-executive-order-requires-cutting-2-old-rules-for-every-1-new-rule-but-is-it-that-easy/) As the story says, since there is no easy way to just dump regs you don’t like, this makes it next to impossible to get anything passed. There is also the added stumbling block in section 2.(b) > [@](#): > > or fiscal year 2017, which is in progress, the heads of all agencies are directed that the total incremental cost of all new regulations, including repealed regulations, to be finalized this year shall be no greater than zero, unless otherwise required by law or consistent with advice provided in writing by the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (Director). , and then there is the problem with tying the costs of the new reg to the costs of the two unrelated regs you are seeking to eliminate(section 2.9c) > [@](#): > > (c) In furtherance of the requirement of subsection (a) of this section, any new incremental costs associated with new regulations shall, to the extent permitted by law, be offset by the elimination of existing costs associated with at least two prior regulations. Any agency eliminating existing costs associated with prior regulations under this subsection shall do so in accordance with the Administrative Procedure Act and other applicable law. In my opinion, this is asinine. edited to add: And [here is the Director that would be making all the final approvals: Mick Mulvaney](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-pick-for-omb-director-wants-to-end-medicare-as-we-know-it) ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/2 "2017-01-30T21:16:17Z")
That is really, really stupid. There may be a splendid reason to get rid of a regulation; but on each case’s merits, not as a one-for-two deal. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/3 "2017-01-30T21:16:38Z")
I’m curious whether this order passes legal muster. (Note to snarky attorneys on board: this is an honest question, I genuinely lack the knowledge whether a challenge might be presented to it). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/4 "2017-01-30T21:18:03Z")
Pick a regulation, any regulation? What utter idiocy, but just another in a record setting line of lunacy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/5 "2017-01-30T21:22:07Z")
Seems like something a Jr High School kid would propose. But… do the 2 regulations actually have to be eliminated? The text says they have to be “identified” for elimination, but I’m not clear on what the actual termination process is. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/6 "2017-01-30T21:22:32Z")
Government shouldn’t make policy based on the same premise that I use to make my wife get rid of coffee mugs when she buys a new one. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/7 "2017-01-30T21:24:37Z")
How will this work when we have to go into negative regulations?? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/8 "2017-01-30T21:26:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > In my opinion, this is asinine. I concur. It’s a meaningless constraint. An agency can presumably get around it by adding the new requirement to an exist rule, or adding the contents of two existing rules together to reduce number but not scope. It suggests a very surface-level, amateur understanding of agency rule making. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/9 "2017-01-30T21:29:16Z")
_© In furtherance of the requirement of subsection (a) of this section, any new incremental costs associated with new regulations shall, to the extent permitted by law, be offset by the elimination of existing costs associated with at least two prior regulations_ And finally once all the regs are battled out… **"There Can Be Only One !"** Prolly the old anti-authority individualist creed: ‘ **Do What Thy Wilt Is The Whole Of The Law** ’. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/10 "2017-01-30T21:39:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I concur. It’s a meaningless constraint. An agency can presumably get around it by adding the new requirement to an exist rule, or adding the contents of two existing rules together to reduce number but not scope. I don’t think Trump or THE DIRECTOR will allow things like that…at least that wasn’t how he talking about it on the campaign trail. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/11 "2017-01-30T21:40:26Z")
The thing is that the elimination of a regulation is in and of its self a regulation, that needs to be examined for its impact and subject to public hearings etc. He might as well just write that all government rules and regulations shall be frozen in place and no action shall be taken to adjust to changing circumstances. Incidentally, aren’t his proclamations regarding immigration regulations? Has he come up with something he’s going to cut so that he can keep Syrians out of the country? ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/12 "2017-01-30T21:46:09Z")
I nominate eliminating the one that prohibits Kinder Surprise chocolate eggs to be sold in the US in exchange for a 15% additional tax on all income over $250000 to be used solely for the provision of universal health care. Win-win! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/13 "2017-01-30T21:51:07Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > I nominate eliminating the one that prohibits Kinder Surprise chocolate eggs to be sold in the US in exchange for a 15% additional tax on all income over $250000 to be used solely for the provision of universal health care. Win-win! Wouldn’t pass the new rules about zero sums and new regs not costing anything. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/14 "2017-01-30T21:56:27Z")
It is craziness. It presumes that there’s always some unnecessary regulation just asking for repealing. Even if we grant that any given agency currently has a few outdated regs that could be safely eliminated, surely even the stupidest person knows this wouldn’t last forever. Not to mention, this doesn’t do anything to make current regulations less burdensome. Agencies can still modify existing regulations so that they are more stringent. So the order is ineffective at fixing the problem that supposedly exists, and creates a whole world of new problems. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/15 "2017-01-30T21:58:01Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Not to mention, this doesn’t do anything to make current regulations less burdensome. Agencies can still modify existing regulations so that they are more stringent. Not if it is ruled that this is the creation of a new regulation. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/16 "2017-01-30T22:05:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not if it is ruled that this is the creation of a new regulation. But legally it wouldn’t be unless we’re now in Bizarro World. Please tell me we aren’t in Bizarro World. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/17 "2017-01-30T22:07:55Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > But legally it wouldn’t be unless we’re now in Bizarro World. > > Please tell me we aren’t in Bizarro World. Me am happy to say it not Bizarro World. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/18 "2017-01-30T22:11:05Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > But legally it wouldn’t be unless we’re now in Bizarro World. > > Please tell me we aren’t in Bizarro World. mE am NO tElL yOU thAt. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/19 "2017-01-30T22:18:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > mE am NO tElL yOU thAt. Me face am gray and angular. Sad! ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610/20 "2017-01-30T22:45:23Z")
[…Canada’s gonna get the blame for this one.](http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/hgw-cgf/priorities-priorites/rtrap-parfa/ofo-upu-eng.asp)Just like they are claiming the immigration executive orders are Obama’s fault. Every outlandish, ridiculous thing this administration will do will be framed around some sort of established precedent. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-signs-make-one-reg-you-gotta-dump-2-executive-order/778610.md?page=2)