# Trump speech live 01/08/2019: follow-along thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439 "2019-01-09T01:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/201 "2019-01-10T16:05:27Z")
D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/202 "2019-01-10T16:15:33Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > They didn’t. They used a DESAW. You’re right, of course! It would take them WAY too long to cut their way through by using de file. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/203 "2019-01-10T16:28:34Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > But…but those steel slats were _artistically designed!_ HOW COULD THEY DEFILE THEM LIKE THAT!! Huh? If they’d been _DE_filed, they would have gotten thicker and stronger… ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/204 "2019-01-10T19:42:33Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > But…but those steel slats were _artistically designed!_ HOW COULD THEY DEFILE THEM LIKE THAT!! > > Like throwing mud on the Mona Lisa, I tell ya. 😉 Hey, deconstruction is a legitimate form of criticism! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/205 "2019-01-10T20:45:58Z")
Could the following be a way this plays out? Trump accepts and signs a budget without the wall as he simultaneously declares a national emergency to fund it. That order is immediately challenged in court, stalled with the funding stayed, and eventually declared invalid. Trump declares to his base that he had been firm and aggressive but the problem was Obama judges (who of course were likely actually Bush ones). Meanwhile Senate leaders come up with a bipartisan funding for increases in border security _and services_ that includes some extra fencing where such is actually appropriate, and more for other items that make more sense. Everyone saves face. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/206 "2019-01-10T20:51:40Z")
Doublepost ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/207 "2019-01-10T21:26:15Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Could the following be a way this plays out? > > Trump accepts and signs a budget without the wall as he simultaneously declares a national emergency to fund it. > > That order is immediately challenged in court, stalled with the funding stayed, and eventually declared invalid. > > Trump declares to his base that he had been firm and aggressive but the problem was Obama judges (who of course were likely actually Bush ones). > > Meanwhile Senate leaders come up with a bipartisan funding for increases in border security _and services_ that includes some extra fencing where such is actually appropriate, and more for other items that make more sense. > > Everyone saves face. Sure; I’d agree that what you describe _could_ happen. I think it is even more unlikely than invisible pink unicorns flying out of Trump’s mouth at the next ‘rally’ tho. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/208 "2019-01-10T22:38:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Could the following be a way this plays out? > Trump accepts and signs a budget without the wall as he simultaneously declares a national emergency to fund it. > > That order is immediately challenged in court, stalled with the funding stayed, and eventually declared invalid. > Trump declares to his base that he had been firm and aggressive but the problem was Obama judges (who of course were likely actually Bush ones). > > Meanwhile Senate leaders come up with a bipartisan funding for increases in border security _and services_ that includes some extra fencing where such is actually appropriate, and more for other items that make more sense. > Everyone saves face. Allowing ‘I didn’t get what I want’ to be a valid reason for declaring an emergency is extremely dangerous. And personally, I’m not willing to depend on any particular judges to defend the nation against the naked power-grab represented by calling a non-emergency an emergency. They might not do so. Then we’d have no recourse–we’d have a full-blown dictatorship on our hands. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/209 "2019-01-10T22:58:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Allowing ‘I didn’t get what I want’ to be a valid reason for declaring an emergency is extremely dangerous. > > And personally, I’m not willing to depend on any particular judges to defend the nation against the naked power-grab represented by calling a non-emergency an emergency. They might not do so. Then we’d have no recourse–we’d have a full-blown dictatorship on our hands. If you are worried about more and more Presidential powers being granted by the executive, that ship sailed long ago. Obama was a poster child for unconstitutional power grabs, from the Obamacare CRS payments and employer mandate, to DACA, to pretending treaties weren’t treaties. This fight is 100% political. Walls work, and the Democrats know it. That’s why Schumer voted for one 9 times and Pelosi twice (and Obama and Hillary as well). They either want open borders or want to deny Trump the fulfillment of a campaign promise leading up to 2020. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/210 "2019-01-11T00:03:37Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > If you are worried about more and more Presidential powers being granted by the executive, that ship sailed long ago. Obama was a poster child for unconstitutional power grabs, from the Obamacare CRS payments and employer mandate, to DACA, to pretending treaties weren’t treaties. > > This fight is 100% political. Walls work, and the Democrats know it. That’s why Schumer voted for one 9 times and Pelosi twice (and Obama and Hillary as well). They either want open borders or want to deny Trump the fulfillment of a campaign promise leading up to 2020. Uh, the wall is already there, the discussion is really to stop negotiating with a hostage taker that wants even more when more is bound to cost 4 or 5 times as much as what Trump promised. Also, that bit about the previous wall demonstrates that the point about Schumer or Pelosi wanting open borders is not true. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/211 "2019-01-11T00:05:20Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > If you are worried about more and more Presidential powers being granted by the executive, that ship sailed long ago. Obama was a poster child for unconstitutional power grabs, from the Obamacare CRS payments and employer mandate, to DACA, to pretending treaties weren’t treaties. > > This fight is 100% political. Walls work, and the Democrats know it. That’s why Schumer voted for one 9 times and Pelosi twice (and Obama and Hillary as well). They either want open borders or want to deny Trump the fulfillment of a campaign promise leading up to 2020. What Trump is proposing is not comparable to anything Obama did, spin it though you may. And “walls work” is a bad argument. Intelligent people understand that the “logic” of ‘_because X works in situations A and B, we need a 2000 mile-long X_’ is non-existent. “Democrats want open borders” is also a bad argument, because when challenged for proof, all you can come up with is people who are NOT Democratic leaders or prominent Democrats. A claim that ‘the guy ranting on the street corner says he’s a Democrat and is for open borders’ does not support your bad argument, does it? The fact that you have no good arguments is very apparent, here. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/212 "2019-01-11T00:12:43Z")
N/m ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/213 "2019-01-11T01:02:26Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > This fight is 100% political. Walls work, and the Democrats know it. That’s why Schumer voted for one 9 times and Pelosi twice (and Obama and Hillary as well). They either want open borders or want to deny Trump the fulfillment of a campaign promise leading up to 2020. There’s a big difference between “Border forts work” and “lets bankrupt the nation to build the Maginot line”, between a fence whose primary purpose is drug interdiction, costing millions- and a sea to sea wall whose primary purpose is racism, and would cost billions. No Dem voted for \*\*The Wall \*\*(as Trump imagines it). And yes, the Dems are fine with spending funds on border security. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/214 "2019-01-11T01:03:42Z")
$5.7B is not going “bankrupt the nation”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/215 "2019-01-11T01:17:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > $5.7B is not going “bankrupt the nation”. Up to $70B, plus the usual and expected cost overruns plus $100M a year for maintenance and upkeep. That wont do to the USA what the Maginot line did to France, but it will be equally as useless. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/216 "2019-01-11T01:20:37Z")
“This fight” is over $5.7B. That’s what President Trump requested for border fencing, and what it would cost to end the shutdown today. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/217 "2019-01-11T01:21:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Up to $70B, plus the usual and expected cost overruns plus $100M a year for maintenance and upkeep. > > That wont do to the USA what the Maginot line did to France, but it will be equally as useless. It _will_ keep out the Germans. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/218 "2019-01-11T01:29:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “This fight” is over $5.7B. That’s what President Trump requested for border fencing, and what it would cost to end the shutdown today. I’m glad it’s just a price tag to you. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/219 "2019-01-11T01:32:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “This fight” is over $5.7B. That’s what President Trump requested for border fencing, and what it would cost to end the shutdown today. Such a paltry sum. Why is it, do you suppose, that the Republicans didn’t approve it over the past 2 years when they had control over both houses of Congress and the presidency? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439/220 "2019-01-11T01:32:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “This fight” is over $5.7B. That’s what President Trump requested for border fencing, and what it would cost to end the shutdown today. “Requested”? :dubious: It isn’t a request if I can’t say no; it’s a demand. Trump is demanding that money, not requesting it. I am not surprised that you would try and characterize it as something it is not, tho. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-speech-live-01-08-2019-follow-along-thread/827439.md?page=12)